From webmaster at localnotion.com  Sat Jan  1 01:10:51 2005
From: webmaster at localnotion.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:10:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <20050101044409.GA24129@panix.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050101044409.GA24129@panix.com>
Message-ID: <E381C6F9-5BBB-11D9-B3B3-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>


On Dec 31, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:

>> phpbb
>
> All I can say is avoid that like the plague.

Can't we just build something together right now that is better(the 
best)



From nasir81 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 02:10:44 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:10:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <E381C6F9-5BBB-11D9-B3B3-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050101044409.GA24129@panix.com>
	<E381C6F9-5BBB-11D9-B3B3-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda73041231231025f52dd7@mail.gmail.com>

The best php based bulletin board I have used is vBulletin. Yes it is
commercial, but the quality of the product and support is pretty good.


On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:10:51 -0500, Matthew Terenzio
<webmaster at localnotion.com> wrote:
> 
> On Dec 31, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> 
> >> phpbb
> >
> > All I can say is avoid that like the plague.
> 
> Can't we just build something together right now that is better(the
> best)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 10:50:04 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:50:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] recommend laptop repair place/Windows XP
	fixer-upper?
In-Reply-To: <20050101002441.46504.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <23697-81790@sneakemail.com>
	<20050101002441.46504.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605010107507bbd23c1@mail.gmail.com>

Here is another one, just in the nick of time ;-)

http://www.pjls16812.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knowing-knoppix/index.html

"You can't start Windows! Disaster? Possibly not. It is often possible
to rescue files using Knoppix from crashed Windows computers, even
when Windows cannot be started. This guide takes you step by step
through the process."

-- Mitch

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:24:41 -0800 (PST), Susan Shemin
<susan_shemin at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the link--I'll certainly check it out!


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat Jan  1 11:52:08 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:52:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] recommend laptop repair place/Windows
	XPfixer-upper?
In-Reply-To: <330532b605010107507bbd23c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c4f022$3b53d2c0$e98d3818@oberon1>

 Mitch Pirtle writes:
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] [OT] recommend laptop repair 
> 
> http://www.pjls16812.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knowing-knoppix/index.html
> 
> "You can't start Windows! Disaster? Possibly not. 

You can run Knoppix if you have a minimum of 128 Mb (working) RAM. 
Maybe reinserting the ram chips in their sockets (again) 
would be a good thing to do. (seems like there are two 
problems goind on here: flaky ram and corrupted files)

Earlier Susan had said that she was unable to bring up 
her laptop in 'Safe Mode' -- perhaps the master boot record 
is one of the things that got corrupted...

If that's the case, it would seem that booting from another 
device (either a CD or floppy) would be the thing to try. 

But if you (Susan) have a rescue floppy for XP, maybe it would be 
easier to try booting from that. Then once booted in command 
line mode (effectively MS-Dos), copy what's important to 
floppies.

If you have an installation CD, you could try pressing F10 
(or 'R" to repair) at the setup welcome screen. 
(this is the route I would go --  after getting good 
copies of important files)

If you meet strange obstacles while trying to effect a 
repair, you may find entering 'recovery' in the search box 
in the upper right hand corner of  http://support.microsoft.com/winxp 
will produce some helpful ideas.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From jlacey at att.net  Sat Jan  1 13:40:53 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:40:53 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] recommend laptop repair
	place/Windows	XPfixer-upper?
In-Reply-To: <001301c4f022$3b53d2c0$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <001301c4f022$3b53d2c0$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <41D6EEB5.5070508@att.net>

Tim Gales wrote:
>  Mitch Pirtle writes:
> 
>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] [OT] recommend laptop repair 
>>
>>http://www.pjls16812.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/knowing-knoppix/index.html
>>
>>"You can't start Windows! Disaster? Possibly not. 
> 
> 
> You can run Knoppix if you have a minimum of 128 Mb (working) RAM. 
> Maybe reinserting the ram chips in their sockets (again) 
> would be a good thing to do. (seems like there are two 
> problems goind on here: flaky ram and corrupted files)


In addition to the few suggestions concerning Knoppix, I highly 
recommend "Knoppix Hacks" (O'Reilly) which also comes with a Knoppix CD. 
  There are hacks that specifically address "recovery situations" on 
Windows.  And, if you bring it up in text mode -- "knoppix 2" at the 
boot prompt -- you can run it in 64MB (or less).

I have personally used Knoppix to recover a lost Windows Product ID on a 
Win98 system for a friend who had bought a used PC and needed to 
re-install from the win98SE directory on the hard drive.  I even keep a 
copy of Knoppix in my glovebox so's I'll have it "whenever" :)

HTH,
John

p.s. a Happy and Prosperous New Year to all the NYPHP listies...



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Sat Jan  1 20:51:17 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:51:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dotDeb: Easy LAMP for Debian
Message-ID: <39111.69.86.84.233.1104630677.spork@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hello everyone,

Happy 2005!

I thought this link might be of interest to any Debian users out there who
want an easy way to install LAMP (PHP4 or PHP5):

http://dotdeb.org/index.php

Best regards,

- Jay Sheth


From Cbielanski at inta.org  Mon Jan  3 11:10:57 2005
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:10:57 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
Message-ID: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAAED@intamail1.com>

vBulletin is nice, but from what I've come to undersand they are persnickety
about mods to their code. phpB we all know about as a security-sieve, which
leads me to ask a side question:

What's the status of CLEW these days?


Thanks,
Chris Bielanski
Web Programmer, 
International Trademark Association,
1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
New York, NY 10036
+1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org  
INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:nasir81 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:11 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
> 
> 
> The best php based bulletin board I have used is vBulletin. Yes it is
> commercial, but the quality of the product and support is pretty good.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:10:51 -0500, Matthew Terenzio
> <webmaster at localnotion.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Dec 31, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> > 
> > >> phpbb
> > >
> > > All I can say is avoid that like the plague.
> > 
> > Can't we just build something together right now that is better(the
> > best)
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk
> > Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


From alienz at 53cleveland.org  Mon Jan  3 11:32:36 2005
From: alienz at 53cleveland.org (alienz at 53cleveland.org)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:32:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB Abstraction Peformance 
Message-ID: <36686.167.206.206.50.1104769956.squirrel@email.nethosters.com>

While I like the flexibility of Creole (http://creole.phpdb.org/) I
benched it along with ADOdb and straight MySQL using the benchmark from
(http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/)

Seems Creole is slightly slower than ADOdb, but nothing comes close to
MySQL, I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on this sort of thing.
With a MySQL cache turned on should I be worried about performance on a
site that is mostly SELECT's?




From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Mon Jan  3 11:34:41 2005
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:34:41 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I posted your pictures
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F9033E0A803@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Just wanted to drop you a line and let you know I posted your pictures of
the "regulars" to the NYPHP gallery. 

I skipped two, Felix Z, and Ryan (don't know his last name, you had him as
pic P9280020.jpg) since I couldn't find their email addresses.

Here is the link:
http://www.nyphp.org/content/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=whoswho

Mike

PS At the next meeting, I will have to get your picture for the gallery!



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon Jan  3 12:58:10 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:58:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] rich-gui PHP Wiki and other PHP gems
Message-ID: <60108.69.86.84.233.1104775090.spork@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

Some of you have been asking lately about alternative image galleries,
Wikis, and blog-ware for PHP. Here are some of the recent goodies I have
found.

I think some of you may be interested in this rich-GUI PHP Wiki:

PHPTiddlyWiki
http://www.patrickcurry.com/tiddly/

I have only looked at the demo yet, not the code. But from the demo alone
it looks good.

Also,

For those looking for easy/simple photo gallery software, I found the
following:

http://folderblog.tetto.org/

http://www.pixelpost.org/

http://relativelyabsolute.com/spg/

This demo of PixelPost is quite impressive:
http://www.keoshi.com/fblog/index.php?showimage=57

Oh, and finally, a great-looking RSS feed organizer:
http://lilina.sourceforge.net/

(I really need to start a mini-blog / links-blog to preserve and organize
these daily PHP gems.)

Best regards,

- Jay



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 13:55:03 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:55:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB Abstraction Peformance
In-Reply-To: <36686.167.206.206.50.1104769956.squirrel@email.nethosters.com>
References: <36686.167.206.206.50.1104769956.squirrel@email.nethosters.com>
Message-ID: <330532b6050103105517bc1bc1@mail.gmail.com>

Having the query cache in MySQL enabled should be adequate.

We did a lot of testing for Mambo, and learned that although ADOdb's
client-side caching was faster than MySQL's query cache (no network
trips at all, as the cache was on the webserver instead of on the
database machine), we also saw the load go up on the webserver
(especially on slower hardware or sites under heavy load).

Finally, after all that work, we discovered that caching the output
(templates, output HTML etc.) gave us MUCH MORE significant results
than any query caching toolkits available.

So you can use whichever caching you prefer, but know that researching
something like PEAR's Cache_Lite would provide infinitely more
performance gains for about the same amount of effort.

-- Mitch

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:32:36 -0500 (EST), alienz at 53cleveland.org
<alienz at 53cleveland.org> wrote:
> While I like the flexibility of Creole (http://creole.phpdb.org/) I
> benched it along with ADOdb and straight MySQL using the benchmark from
> (http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/)
> 
> Seems Creole is slightly slower than ADOdb, but nothing comes close to
> MySQL, I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on this sort of thing.
> With a MySQL cache turned on should I be worried about performance on a
> site that is mostly SELECT's?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 17:11:04 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:11:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <20050101044409.GA24129@panix.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050101044409.GA24129@panix.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d1505010314113739cdb8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm relatively new to the php world and I was wondering what's wrong
with phpBB?  I am using them now for temporary forums while I make my
personal site.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:44:09 -0500, Daniel Convissor
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 09:01:27PM -0500, Ophir Prusak wrote:
> > phpbb
> 
> All I can say is avoid that like the plague.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Brian O'Connor


From yury at heavenspa.com  Mon Jan  3 17:14:21 2005
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury Rush)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:14:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <29da5d1505010314113739cdb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJAECPDGAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

Hi -- there was an exploit a few weeks ago that affected phpBB boards..
thousands were hacked via a worm that found phpBB sites using google's
search..
just an FYI-

invisionboard is good for a free BB.
ciao
yury

www.motionrush.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian O'Connor
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:11 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards


I'm relatively new to the php world and I was wondering what's wrong
with phpBB?  I am using them now for temporary forums while I make my
personal site.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:44:09 -0500, Daniel Convissor
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 09:01:27PM -0500, Ophir Prusak wrote:
> > phpbb
>
> All I can say is avoid that like the plague.
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


--
Brian O'Connor
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org



From smanes at magpie.com  Mon Jan  3 17:58:50 2005
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:58:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJAECPDGAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
References: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJAECPDGAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
Message-ID: <41D9CE2A.2010904@magpie.com>

Yury Rush wrote:
> Hi -- there was an exploit a few weeks ago that affected phpBB boards..
> thousands were hacked via a worm that found phpBB sites using google's
> search..

That exploit is actually a bug in PHP's unserialize(), not PHPBB.

There are several exploits in 4.3.9 and 5.0.2:

http://national.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=4636


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon Jan  3 18:05:52 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:05:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
Message-ID: <41D9CFD0.7040408@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

phpBB is full-featured, but has had some prominent security issues in 
the recent past; hence people are recommending against installing it. It 
is easy for virus and worm writers as well as hackers to target software 
that has a large installed base. phpBB is widely installed, hence it is 
widely exploited. (I have not looked at its code, but it could not be 
that bad so popular at the same time, right?)

I have used (an older version of) MiniBB in the past for a low-traffic 
forum:

http://www.minibb.net/

The Wordpress (weblog software) guys used to use MiniBB for their forum 
software, but now it seems they have written their own:

http://bbpress.org/about/

BBpress is supposed to be even lighter and even more secure than MiniBB.

I have also heard that Fudforum is more secure than phpBB:

It is www.fudforum.org , I think, but it seems to be down now.

Best regards,

- Jay


From hans at nyphp.com  Mon Jan  3 19:01:29 2005
From: hans at nyphp.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:01:29 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: The Year 2014:  What happened to MSFT, AMZN,
	GOOG ?  What happend to News Media?
Message-ID: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8707495632@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>


> http://www.broom.org/epic/

...but I think they forgot the part about Morpheus and Neo?

H



From jperkins at sneer.org  Mon Jan  3 21:04:49 2005
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason N.Perkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:04:49 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <41D9CE2A.2010904@magpie.com>
References: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJAECPDGAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
	<41D9CE2A.2010904@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <03FFDF29-5DF5-11D9-8993-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>


On Jan 3, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Steve Manes wrote:

> Yury Rush wrote:
>> Hi -- there was an exploit a few weeks ago that affected phpBB  
>> boards..
>> thousands were hacked via a worm that found phpBB sites using google's
>> search..
>
> That exploit is actually a bug in PHP's unserialize(), not PHPBB.
>
> There are several exploits in 4.3.9 and 5.0.2:
>
> http://national.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=4636

The Sanity phpBB worm used the phpBB Highlight Vulnerability which has  
nothing to do with the unserialize vulnerability. As (only) Derick  
Rethans could put it:

"Everybody who thinks that the Santy.A worm uses one of the security  
problems addressed in PHP's latest bugfix releases is wrong. It was NOT  
due to any bug in PHP, but merely a badly checked input variable which  
was passed to preg with the /e modifier. Besides this, phpBB is also  
vulnarable for some of the things  address by PHP's new releases. But  
they are wrong saying that it is not their fault. Not-checked usage of   
serialized data is still their problem. Short version: use FUDforum."

Original link:  
<http://www.derickrethans.nl/month-2004-12.php? 
item=200412241207#200412241207>

More info at:

<http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=240513>
<http://www.hardened-php.net/news.php>
<http://www.powertrip.co.za/blog/archives/000305.html>

This isn't to chastise Steve - phpBB rushed with the story that it  
wasn't there fault.




--
Jason N Perkins
<http://sneer.org/>



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan  3 21:40:55 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:40:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <03FFDF29-5DF5-11D9-8993-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>
References: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJAECPDGAA.yury@heavenspa.com>	<41D9CE2A.2010904@magpie.com>
	<03FFDF29-5DF5-11D9-8993-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <4407-25672@sneakemail.com>

Jason N.Perkins jperkins-at-sneer.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> On Jan 3, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Steve Manes wrote:
>
>> Yury Rush wrote:
>>
>>> Hi -- there was an exploit a few weeks ago that affected phpBB  
>>> boards..
>>> thousands were hacked via a worm that found phpBB sites using google's
>>> search..
>>
>>
>> That exploit is actually a bug in PHP's unserialize(), not PHPBB.
>>
>> There are several exploits in 4.3.9 and 5.0.2:
>>
>> http://national.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=4636
>
> The Sanity phpBB worm used the phpBB Highlight Vulnerability which 
> has  nothing to do with the unserialize vulnerability. As (only) 
> Derick  Rethans could put it:
>
> "Everybody who thinks that the Santy.A worm uses one of the security  
> problems addressed in PHP's latest bugfix releases is wrong. It was 
> NOT  due to any bug in PHP, but merely a badly checked input variable 
> which  was passed to preg with the /e modifier. Besides this, phpBB is 
> also  vulnarable for some of the things  address by PHP's new 
> releases. But  they are wrong saying that it is not their fault. 
> Not-checked usage of   serialized data is still their problem. Short 
> version: use FUDforum."
>
> Original link:  <http://www.derickrethans.nl/month-2004-12.php? 
> item=200412241207#200412241207>
>
> More info at:
> <http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=240513>
> <http://www.hardened-php.net/news.php>
> <http://www.powertrip.co.za/blog/archives/000305.html>
>
> This isn't to chastise Steve - phpBB rushed with the story that it  
> wasn't there fault.
> -- 
> Jason N Perkins
> <http://sneer.org/>


I posted this on the 22nd of December, although it seemed like the 
highlight patch was removed sometime ater it was originally posted to 
phpBB website (?) :

http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2004-December/013284.html

-=john andrews

-- 
Secunia Advisory 12/30/2004: "Almost every single branch of the Microsoft Windows operating system is vulnerable to several new vulnerabilities... no vendor solution is available for these vulnerabilities."



From hans at nyphp.com  Mon Jan  3 21:48:31 2005
From: hans at nyphp.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:48:31 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
Message-ID: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F87074956D9@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>


> More info at:
> 
> <http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=240513>
> <http://www.hardened-php.net/news.php>
> <http://www.powertrip.co.za/blog/archives/000305.html>

http://www.php.net has also posted a similar retort as to Derick's
(Derick likely wrote it) as their top story.


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org





From keithjr at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 11:13:10 2005
From: keithjr at gmail.com (Keith Richardson)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:13:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAAED@intamail1.com>
References: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAAED@intamail1.com>
Message-ID: <4e1a9bc05010408132178530b@mail.gmail.com>

I use vbulletin and hack it regularly, as they seem not to care, and
promote it, because you can download hacks at
http://www.vbulletin.org/ - and the only way to download them is to
have a license for vbulletin..

Its easy to navigate the code once you have played with it a bit, and
is actually quite nice to use their registration system/etc as a
homebrewed main site user auth system, as I have written a bunch of
php functions to take username and get userid, validate
username+password as a good combo, etc..

Though when they release a new version, it stinks that you have to
find out your code mods, install the new vbulletin on a test folder,
modify the crap outta your themes and code, and then it should work,
but always has glitches :/

http://www.forumsx.net/ is our network site forums spawned from
war3.com - if you wish to check it out.

I used to have a bunch of automated thread creation scripts for other
parts of the site before the big bad hard drive decided to crash, and
only partial backups were performed, but It isnt too hard, just gotta
know what proper sql tables to edit...

I'm going to stick with vbulletin, since I paid for it (but my free
updates have expired from 1 year after purchase), since it is nice and
I havent had any problems with it at all.

-keith richardson



On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:10:57 -0500, Chris Bielanski <Cbielanski at inta.org> wrote:
> vBulletin is nice, but from what I've come to undersand they are persnickety
> about mods to their code. phpB we all know about as a security-sieve, which
> leads me to ask a side question:
> 
> What's the status of CLEW these days?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Bielanski
> Web Programmer,
> International Trademark Association,
> 1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
> New York, NY 10036
> +1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
> mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org
> INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:nasir81 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:11 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
> >
> >
> > The best php based bulletin board I have used is vBulletin. Yes it is
> > commercial, but the quality of the product and support is pretty good.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:10:51 -0500, Matthew Terenzio
> > <webmaster at localnotion.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2004, at 11:44 PM, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> > >
> > > >> phpbb
> > > >
> > > > All I can say is avoid that like the plague.
> > >
> > > Can't we just build something together right now that is better(the
> > > best)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > New York PHP Talk
> > > Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > > http://www.nyphp.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk
> > Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Keith Richardson
keith at keithjr.net


From nasir81 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 13:15:20 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:15:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAAED@intamail1.com>
References: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAAED@intamail1.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda73050104101572876d16@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:10:57 -0500, Chris Bielanski <Cbielanski at inta.org> wrote:
> vBulletin is nice, but from what I've come to under sand they are persnickety
> about mods to their code.

Not really. You can modify the code all you want. Their technical
support may not be able to help you with the modified code (can you
blame them?), but the hack community at http://www.vbulletin.org/
makes up for it more than adequately.


From webmaster at localnotion.com  Tue Jan  4 16:26:07 2005
From: webmaster at localnotion.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:26:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bouncing emails
Message-ID: <3F4A84BA-5E97-11D9-8C6D-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>

My email was down whilst a DNS change took effect.
If it bounced too many times, does that mean I'll need to subscribe 
again?



From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 16:35:40 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:35:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bouncing emails
In-Reply-To: <3F4A84BA-5E97-11D9-8C6D-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
References: <3F4A84BA-5E97-11D9-8C6D-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501041335562e937e@mail.gmail.com>

i see this post just fine so i am not sure why you would need to
subscribe again if it seems to work :D

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From ashaw at iifwp.org  Tue Jan  4 17:46:17 2005
From: ashaw at iifwp.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:46:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] blueshoes?
Message-ID: <41DB1CB9.8060202@iifwp.org>

Anybody here have experience with the BlueShoes project 
(http://blueshoes.org)?  

-- 
===========================================================
Allen Shaw                                  
IIFWP Data and                           914.631.1331 x.106
    IT Services                        http://www.iifwp.org



From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 00:10:01 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:40:01 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photos.com color search
Message-ID: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>

I recently came accross a new feature added by photos.com. They allows
the users to search images based on the color.

http://www.photos.com/en/search/index?srch=Search&cp_color=%23b02020%2B

They are using linux server and i hope it is done in php. Anybody has
any idea how this is implemented. I don't think they are accessing the
image files each and every time - they might be storing the color info
in the db. Any idea how this can be implemented. This is not a
requirement i'm facing - just curios.....


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed Jan  5 04:43:03 2005
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:43:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photos.com color search
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050105094300.D61B5A863E@virtu.nyphp.org>

Well, upon a quick somewhat inebriated research session, I found that gd2
has the capability to find the color of a pixel
(http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecolorat.php), which tells me
that you could probably write something in php to 'parse' an image for the
majority color with gd2.  Then again I tend to avoid gd due to how slow it
can be with php, but if gd does it, I'd imagine the functionality being
available with imagemagick and/or pnm. So, I suppose it's possible with php,
although probably slower than an 'outside' solution.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Sajith A
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:10 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] photos.com color search
> 
> I recently came accross a new feature added by photos.com. They allows
> the users to search images based on the color.
> 
> http://www.photos.com/en/search/index?srch=Search&cp_color=%23b02020%2B
> 
> They are using linux server and i hope it is done in php. Anybody has
> any idea how this is implemented. I don't think they are accessing the
> image files each and every time - they might be storing the color info
> in the db. Any idea how this can be implemented. This is not a
> requirement i'm facing - just curios.....
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org




From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Jan  5 08:00:00 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:00:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photos.com color search
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41DBE4D0.4010603@crisscott.com>

Sajith A wrote:
> I recently came accross a new feature added by photos.com. They allows
> the users to search images based on the color.
> 
> http://www.photos.com/en/search/index?srch=Search&cp_color=%23b02020%2B
> 
> They are using linux server and i hope it is done in php. Anybody has
> any idea how this is implemented. 

According to netcraft 
(http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=photos.com) they are using 
perl not PHP.

-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 09:57:08 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photos.com color search
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d05010421107da94b39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b6050105065722caca68@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW I know that some commercial indexing servers can also determine
physical appearance attributes of images (search for 'red', for
example) and can also be trained with shapes (search for 'tree' for
example).

I'm pretty sure they are using something like that, or are possibly
generating their own keyword lists manually.

-- Mitch

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:40:01 +0530, Sajith A <sajith.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> I recently came accross a new feature added by photos.com. They allows
> the users to search images based on the color.
> 
> http://www.photos.com/en/search/index?srch=Search&cp_color=%23b02020%2B
> 
> They are using linux server and i hope it is done in php. Anybody has
> any idea how this is implemented. I don't think they are accessing the
> image files each and every time - they might be storing the color info
> in the db. Any idea how this can be implemented. This is not a
> requirement i'm facing - just curios.....


From hydrocrates1066 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  5 13:04:07 2005
From: hydrocrates1066 at yahoo.com (n a)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:04:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050105180407.43089.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com>

My two cents for bulletin board experiences:
 
phpBB had all the options/features I wished to use.
 
WebWarrior.Net uses a postnuke CMS module based directly off phpBB and it has worked like a champ solidly for over two years (including suffering upgrades).
 
I can't comment on vbulletin, as I didn't look into it because it wasn't open source. I also never ran into or used IPB, but a quick gander shows that one to be licensed as well.
 
Granted the pricing for vbulletin and IPB are trivial for some clients, so it really just boils down to the slight user interface/feature differences.
 
Joseph Moshier
aka Tragen
WebWarrior.Net
 

Ophir Prusak <prusak at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm looking to install a bulletin board system on a site I run.
I know this subject was discussed a while back. I was wondering what
the current lowdown on my options are.

Of course free is good but I'm willing to consider other options.
When I checked a couple of years ago, the "big three" were phpbb, ipb
and vbulletin.

Can anyone share their bulletin board experiences ??

Thanx
Ophir
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Jan  5 14:23:59 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:23:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL select replication
Message-ID: <41DC3ECF.5060409@bitblit.net>

Not a PHP specific question (sorry):

Is it possible to replicate only select databases between master and 
server MySQL server?
Ive read through the replication docs and it appears to be an all or 
nothing setup.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed Jan  5 16:10:40 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:10:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache/Unix Flavor Issue and Information
Message-ID: <001401c4f36b$05f837a0$68e4a144@Liz>

Solaris 8/Apache 1.3.31/PHP 4.3.9

When checking the processes on the server (commands: ps -el, ps -ef), many
instances of httpd are listed, perhaps 40+.
Is this normal for a busy server? Or is Apache demonstrating unusual
activity and consuming resources inordinately?

Any talk to this topic would be appreciated.

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
psaw at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed Jan  5 16:14:25 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL select replication
Message-ID: <200501052114.j05LEPL01520@tgaconnect.com>



> Not a PHP specific question (sorry):
> 
> Is it possible to replicate only select databases between master and 
> server MySQL server?
> Ive read through the replication docs and it appears to be an all or 
> nothing setup.


> Not a PHP specific question (sorry):
> 
> Is it possible to replicate only select databases between master and 
> server MySQL server?
> Ive read through the replication docs and it appears to be an all or 
> nothing setup.
> 

There are some filtering options which 
you can set for the master (binary) log:

binlog-do-db and binlog-ignore-db 

On the slave side there are: 

replicate-wild-ignore-table
replicate-wild-do-table
replicate-do-table
replicate-ingnore-table
and 
replicate-ignore-db
replicate-do-db

replicate-rewrite-db

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Jan  5 16:39:31 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:39:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache/Unix Flavor Issue and Information
In-Reply-To: <001401c4f36b$05f837a0$68e4a144@Liz>
References: <001401c4f36b$05f837a0$68e4a144@Liz>
Message-ID: <41DC5E93.1050209@bitblit.net>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:

>Solaris 8/Apache 1.3.31/PHP 4.3.9
>
>When checking the processes on the server (commands: ps -el, ps -ef), many
>instances of httpd are listed, perhaps 40+.
>Is this normal for a busy server?
>
Yes - on a web server I manage we have 64 httpd processes...

>Or is Apache demonstrating unusual
>activity and consuming resources inordinately?
>
>Any talk to this topic would be appreciated.
>

If this is a problem, you can limit the max slaves in httpd.conf.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 21:20:05 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:20:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <20050105180407.43089.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050105180407.43089.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050105182055b4036b@mail.gmail.com>

Wow shows i dont use it but since when is IPB comercial and not OS?


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan  5 21:38:39 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:38:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050105182055b4036b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>	<20050105180407.43089.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com>
	<8d9a4280050105182055b4036b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14412-63960@sneakemail.com>

Joseph Crawford codebowl-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Wow shows i dont use it but since when is IPB comercial and not OS?
>
>  
>
Last I used it (v1.2, 2.0) it was always OS but never free.

-=john andrews

-- 
Secunia Advisory 12/30/2004: "Almost every single branch of the Microsoft Windows operating system is vulnerable to several new vulnerabilities... no vendor solution is available for these vulnerabilities."



From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 07:46:58 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:46:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php bulletin boards
In-Reply-To: <14412-63960@sneakemail.com>
References: <f1dc81bb04123118017bf60f72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050105180407.43089.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com>
	<8d9a4280050105182055b4036b@mail.gmail.com>
	<14412-63960@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501060446163d9b97@mail.gmail.com>

i know it wasnt free but now it's not even OS

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 14:06:01 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:06:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7
In-Reply-To: <4331629.1103576200712.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <4331629.1103576200712.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005010611067df74d2c@mail.gmail.com>

Nestor,

when i try to use your method this is what i recieve

Warning: mssql_connect() [function.mssql-connect]: Unable to connect
to server: 207.76.168.21,1433 in /htdocs/test/default.php on line 8
DATABASE FAILED TO RESPOND.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan  6 14:14:53 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:14:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
Message-ID: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net>

Im trying to import data from a database in MySQL 3.23 to another server 
using MySQL 4.0.

Im getting an error creating this table:

ERROR 1064 at line 47: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the 
manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right 
syntax to use near 'show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', 
PRIMARY KEY  (s_

The SQL looks like this:

CREATE TABLE items (
  s_id int(10) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment,
  title varchar(100) default NULL,
  description tinytext,
  price float default NULL,
  pic varchar(50) default NULL,
  show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id)
) TYPE=MyISAM;

Anyone know offhand what changed and how I can modify this to complete 
the import?

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From ashaw at iifwp.org  Thu Jan  6 14:21:15 2005
From: ashaw at iifwp.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:21:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>

SHOW is a keyword in 4.0.  Try using backticks so mysql knows you're 
defining a column name and not a SHOW statement:
...  pic varchar(50) default NULL,
  `show` tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id) ...

- Allen

Ajai Khattri wrote:

> Im trying to import data from a database in MySQL 3.23 to another 
> server using MySQL 4.0.
>
> Im getting an error creating this table:
>
> ERROR 1064 at line 47: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check 
> the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right 
> syntax to use near 'show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', 
> PRIMARY KEY  (s_
>
> The SQL looks like this:
>
> CREATE TABLE items (
>  s_id int(10) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment,
>  title varchar(100) default NULL,
>  description tinytext,
>  price float default NULL,
>  pic varchar(50) default NULL,
>  show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id)
> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>
> Anyone know offhand what changed and how I can modify this to complete 
> the import?
>

-- 
===========================================================
Allen Shaw                                  ashaw at iifwp.org
IIFWP Data and                           914.631.1331 x.106
    IT Services                        http://www.iifwp.org



From ashaw at iifwp.org  Thu Jan  6 14:23:24 2005
From: ashaw at iifwp.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:23:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net> <41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>
Message-ID: <41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>

And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, there's 
an option to force backticks on table and column names:

|--quote-names, -Q|
    Quote database, table, and column names within ``' characters. If
    the server SQL mode includes the |ANSI_QUOTES| option, names are
    quoted within `"' characters. As of MySQL 4.1.1, |--quote-names| is
    on by default, but can be disabled with |--skip-quote-names|.

- A.


Allen Shaw wrote:

> SHOW is a keyword in 4.0.  Try using backticks so mysql knows you're 
> defining a column name and not a SHOW statement:
> ...  pic varchar(50) default NULL,
>  `show` tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id) ...
>
> - Allen
>
> Ajai Khattri wrote:
>
>> Im trying to import data from a database in MySQL 3.23 to another 
>> server using MySQL 4.0.
>>
>> Im getting an error creating this table:
>>
>> ERROR 1064 at line 47: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check 
>> the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the 
>> right syntax to use near 'show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default 
>> '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_
>>
>> The SQL looks like this:
>>
>> CREATE TABLE items (
>>  s_id int(10) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment,
>>  title varchar(100) default NULL,
>>  description tinytext,
>>  price float default NULL,
>>  pic varchar(50) default NULL,
>>  show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id)
>> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>>
>> Anyone know offhand what changed and how I can modify this to 
>> complete the import?
>>
>

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan  6 14:34:24 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:34:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net> <41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>
	<41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
Message-ID: <41DD92C0.5080700@bitblit.net>

Allen Shaw wrote:

> And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, 
> there's an option to force backticks on table and column names:
>
> |--quote-names, -Q|
>     Quote database, table, and column names within ``' characters. If
>     the server SQL mode includes the |ANSI_QUOTES| option, names are
>     quoted within `"' characters. As of MySQL 4.1.1, |--quote-names|
>     is on by default, but can be disabled with |--skip-quote-names|.
>

Good to know - this is a much better way to do the import :-)

Thanks very much!

-- 
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From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  6 14:37:32 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:37:32 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7
Message-ID: <8934292.1105040252025.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Joseph,

That is what I use to access my MSSQL databases from a W2K machine here at work.
I do know that I have the MSSQL client install on my developing machine and MYODBC.
This is my in my include file:
------------
$hostname = "10.5.0.200,1433";
$username = "user";
$password = "pwd";
$dbName   = "dbname";

if($conn = mssql_connect($hostname,$username,$password))
{
}
else
{
  die("DATABASE FAILED TO RESPOND.");
}
----------------

Someone mentioned that if you are on a Linux machine you use the ':".  

The application that I have written (PHP/MSSQL) allows students, parents and teachers to access student
scholastic information vi the internet.

:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com>
Sent: Jan 6, 2005 11:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7

Nestor,

when i try to use your method this is what i recieve

Warning: mssql_connect() [function.mssql-connect]: Unable to connect
to server: 207.76.168.21,1433 in /htdocs/test/default.php on line 8
DATABASE FAILED TO RESPOND.

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From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 14:43:29 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:43:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7
In-Reply-To: <8934292.1105040252025.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <8934292.1105040252025.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005010611437752db23@mail.gmail.com>

ahh Nestor, 

there is a big difference when connecting to mssql server from a linux
machine that is why that code didnt work for me but does for you :D

csnyder,
i am back to using FreeTDS but do you have any ideas why it seems to
connect but then times out when i execute this query

$res = mssql_query("select * from idxmls1 where mod_date_time
>'2004-1-1 00:00:00'", $conn);
$arr = mssql_fetch_array($res);
echo '<pre>';
print_r($arr);
echo '</pre>';

the following is the error that i get

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to
allocate 192 bytes) in /htdocs/test/default.php on line 13


-- 
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Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Jan  6 14:55:02 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:55:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net> <41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>
	<41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
Message-ID: <20050106195502.GA6010@panix.com>

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:23:24PM -0500, Allen Shaw wrote:
> And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, there's 
> an option to force backticks on table and column names:

A bad idea.  Using reserved words will cause you major grief in the long 
run.  Here's a great reference on naming conventions, including a list of 
reserved words:  http://www.dbazine.com/gulutzan5.shtml

--Dan

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan  6 14:58:42 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:58:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <20050106195502.GA6010@panix.com>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net>
	<41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>	<41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
	<20050106195502.GA6010@panix.com>
Message-ID: <41DD9872.2070405@bitblit.net>

Daniel Convissor wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:23:24PM -0500, Allen Shaw wrote:
>
>>And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, there's 
>>an option to force backticks on table and column names:
>>
>
>A bad idea.  Using reserved words will cause you major grief in the long 
>run.  Here's a great reference on naming conventions, including a list of 
>reserved words:  http://www.dbazine.com/gulutzan5.shtml
>

This is someone else's application that I am moving from one sevrer to 
another.
Luckily, I don't have to fix this :-)

-- 
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Systems Administrator / Developer



From ashaw at iifwp.org  Thu Jan  6 15:04:49 2005
From: ashaw at iifwp.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:04:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <20050106195502.GA6010@panix.com>
References: <41DD8E2D.5010300@bitblit.net>
	<41DD8FAB.90102@iifwp.org>	<41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
	<20050106195502.GA6010@panix.com>
Message-ID: <41DD99E1.40802@iifwp.org>

True, much better to remember this in the design phase, and potentially 
a PIA to fix on an existing project.

- Allen

Daniel Convissor wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:23:24PM -0500, Allen Shaw wrote:
>  
>
>>And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, there's 
>>an option to force backticks on table and column names:
>>    
>>
>
>A bad idea.  Using reserved words will cause you major grief in the long 
>run.  Here's a great reference on naming conventions, including a list of 
>reserved words:  http://www.dbazine.com/gulutzan5.shtml
>
>--Dan
>
>  
>

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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 07:31:43 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:31:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005010611437752db23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8934292.1105040252025.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
	<8d9a428005010611437752db23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005010704316ab71000@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have any ideas on this?

i keep getting this error after it takes a while to load

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to
allocate 192 bytes) in /htdocs/test/default.php on line 13

http://codebowl.dontexist.net/test/default.php

-- 
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Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 08:03:59 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:03:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and MSSQL 7
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005010704316ab71000@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8934292.1105040252025.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
	<8d9a428005010611437752db23@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a428005010704316ab71000@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005010705034814ac2b@mail.gmail.com>

i see that the problem is MSSQL is using the limit of 8mb ram that can
be used (set in the php.ini)  I guess i would like to know what would
make mssql use 8mb ram, would it be the size of the query results?

i have upped that in my php.ini to 20mb and it even errored saying
that it used all of the 20mb of ram as well

-- 
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Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From maggie.cassidy at avaion.com  Fri Jan  7 11:07:27 2005
From: maggie.cassidy at avaion.com (Maggie Cassidy)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:07:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
Message-ID: <20050107160729.FEJZ4801.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@maggie>

Can you force backticks on mysqlimports?  I?ve tried unsuccessfully.  

 

We have an existing database that has a few key words as table names (group,
status) and the mysqlimports for those tables fail.

 

In the future, we are migrating the database to Oracle, so we?re also
wondering if this will also be a problem with Oracle?

 

 

Maggie Cassidy

 

   _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Allen Shaw
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0

 

And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data, there's an
option to force backticks on table and column names:



--quote-names, -Q 

Quote database, table, and column names within ``' characters. If the server
SQL mode includes the ANSI_QUOTES option, names are quoted within `"'
characters. As of MySQL 4.1.1, --quote-names is on by default, but can be
disabled with --skip-quote-names.

- A.


Allen Shaw wrote: 

SHOW is a keyword in 4.0.  Try using backticks so mysql knows you're
defining a column name and not a SHOW statement: 
...  pic varchar(50) default NULL, 
 `show` tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id) ... 

- Allen 

Ajai Khattri wrote: 




Im trying to import data from a database in MySQL 3.23 to another server
using MySQL 4.0. 

Im getting an error creating this table: 

ERROR 1064 at line 47: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the
manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to
use near 'show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_ 

The SQL looks like this: 

CREATE TABLE items ( 
 s_id int(10) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment, 
 title varchar(100) default NULL, 
 description tinytext, 
 price float default NULL, 
 pic varchar(50) default NULL, 
 show tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY  (s_id) 
) TYPE=MyISAM; 

Anyone know offhand what changed and how I can modify this to complete the
import? 

 





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From hans at nyphp.com  Fri Jan  7 11:17:47 2005
From: hans at nyphp.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:17:47 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
Message-ID: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F87076D00FA@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>


> > And, incedentally, if you're using mysqldump to export the data,
there's
> > an option to force backticks on table and column names:
> 
> A bad idea.  Using reserved words will cause you major grief in the
long
> run.  Here's a great reference on naming conventions, including a list
of
> reserved words:  http://www.dbazine.com/gulutzan5.shtml

That's a great article, and since it's written by the MySQL's SQL
Standards Engineer, you can be sure that the article is a best practice
for using MySQL moving forward.

H



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Jan  7 13:30:17 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:30:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Data import from MySQL 3.23 to MySQL 4.0
In-Reply-To: <20050107160729.FEJZ4801.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@maggie>
References: <41DD902C.30201@iifwp.org>
	<20050107160729.FEJZ4801.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@maggie>
Message-ID: <20050107183017.GA2965@panix.com>

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:07:27AM -0500, Maggie Cassidy wrote:
> Can you force backticks on mysqlimports?  I?ve tried unsuccessfully.  

I believe they said "mysqldump."


> In the future, we are migrating the database to Oracle, so we?re also
> wondering if this will also be a problem with Oracle?

Every database has reserved words.  Oracle escapes such with double quote 
marks (as per the SQL standard).

--Dan

... rest of posting of reposting of reposting snipped...

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From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Fri Jan  7 13:48:31 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:48:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Where does Zend's Development Environment find its PHP
	extensions?
Message-ID: <41DED97F.2070703@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

Just recently did I get around to trying Zend's Development Environment 
(ZDE) from the CD distributed at the NYTCHP. So far it looks like a 
great product.

I was especially interested in learning about the integrated debugger, 
but ran into some problems with it.

Some background information:

 I chose to install ZDE with PHP5 support on Windows XP.
ZDE bundles a PHP 5 CGI binary stored in C:\Program Files\Zend\bin\php5
The integrated debugger uses this binary to parse and execute scripts, 
and to show their output

I was using the 'local debugger', not the 'server debugger'.

You can debug a file with the following contents to see which extensions 
the Zend PHP binary supports: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
The output of that file lists a whole bunch of extensions, but I could 
not find them anywhere in the C:\Program Files\Zend\ directory! (There 
was no 'ext' subdirectory' and there were no .dll files)

The php.ini file is also stored in the same location
The php.ini file contains only three lines:
zend_extension_ts=C:\Program Files\Zend\lib\php5\ZendDebuggerLocal.dll
zend_debugger.allow_hosts=127.0.0.1/32
session.save_path=C:\Program Files\Zend\tmp

I then tried to debug a file with a call to mysql_connect() but that 
resulted in the output of 'undefined function', so I am now trying to 
find out how I can make Zend's PHP binary support it.
It is probably compiled without MySQL support, but would swapping in 
another PHP CGI binary help? I was thinking it would not, because this 
seems to be a custom-built PHP binary.

Any thoughts on this?

Best regards,

- Jay


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Fri Jan  7 16:13:47 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:13:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Where does Zend's Development Environment find its
	PHP	extensions?
Message-ID: <200501072113.j07LDlg02096@tgaconnect.com>

>  I chose to install ZDE with PHP5 support on Windows XP.
> ZDE bundles a PHP 5 CGI binary stored in C:\Program 
Files\Zend\bin\php5
> The integrated debugger uses this binary to parse and execute 
scripts, 
> I was using the 'local debugger', not the 'server debugger'.
> 
> You can debug a file with the following contents to see which 
extensions 
> the Zend PHP binary supports: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
> The output of that file lists a whole bunch of extensions, but I 
could 
> not find them anywhere in the C:\Program Files\Zend\ directory! 
(There 
> was no 'ext' subdirectory' and there were no .dll files)
> 
> The php.ini file is also stored in the same location
> The php.ini file contains only three lines:
> zend_extension_ts=C:\Program Files\Zend\lib\php5\ZendDebuggerLocal.dll
> zend_debugger.allow_hosts=127.0.0.1/32
> session.save_path=C:\Program Files\Zend\tmp
> 
> I then tried to debug a file with a call to mysql_connect() but that 
> resulted in the output of 'undefined function', so I am now trying to 
> find out how I can make Zend's PHP binary support it.
> It is probably compiled without MySQL support, but would swapping in 
> another PHP CGI binary help? I was thinking it would not, because 
this 
> seems to be a custom-built PHP binary.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?

Try reading this:
http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2004-December/013177.html

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Fri Jan  7 16:24:35 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:24:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Where does Zend's Development Environment find its
	PHP	extensions?
Message-ID: <200501072124.j07LOZH06431@tgaconnect.com>


> The php.ini file contains only three lines:
> zend_extension_ts=C:\Program Files\Zend\lib\php5\ZendDebuggerLocal.dll
> zend_debugger.allow_hosts=127.0.0.1/32
> session.save_path=C:\Program Files\Zend\tmp

If your php.ini file doesn't have a 
extension_dir = "c:\some_dir", you 
will have to enter that directive 
yourself (and populate that directory 
with the proper dll's)

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From prusak at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 16:43:00 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:43:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Where does Zend's Development Environment find its
	PHP extensions?
In-Reply-To: <41DED97F.2070703@ceruleansky.com>
References: <41DED97F.2070703@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb0501071343214a842d@mail.gmail.com>

I think you might be better off using server side debugging, even if
you want to test out code on your local machine (and use localhost as
the server).

Zend Studio has two components. The client side IDE (which also
includes the Zend Engine) and a server side component which allows you
to do server side debugging.

That way you can setup your PHP environment the "normal" way.

Let me know if how things turn out for you.

Ophir


On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:48:31 -0500, Jayesh Sheth
<jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Just recently did I get around to trying Zend's Development Environment
> (ZDE) from the CD distributed at the NYTCHP. So far it looks like a
> great product.
> 
> I was especially interested in learning about the integrated debugger,
> but ran into some problems with it.
> 
> Some background information:
> 
> I chose to install ZDE with PHP5 support on Windows XP.
> ZDE bundles a PHP 5 CGI binary stored in C:\Program Files\Zend\bin\php5
> The integrated debugger uses this binary to parse and execute scripts,
> and to show their output
> 
> I was using the 'local debugger', not the 'server debugger'.
> 
> You can debug a file with the following contents to see which extensions
> the Zend PHP binary supports: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
> The output of that file lists a whole bunch of extensions, but I could
> not find them anywhere in the C:\Program Files\Zend\ directory! (There
> was no 'ext' subdirectory' and there were no .dll files)
> 
> The php.ini file is also stored in the same location
> The php.ini file contains only three lines:
> zend_extension_ts=C:\Program Files\Zend\lib\php5\ZendDebuggerLocal.dll
> zend_debugger.allow_hosts=127.0.0.1/32
> session.save_path=C:\Program Files\Zend\tmp
> 
> I then tried to debug a file with a call to mysql_connect() but that
> resulted in the output of 'undefined function', so I am now trying to
> find out how I can make Zend's PHP binary support it.
> It is probably compiled without MySQL support, but would swapping in
> another PHP CGI binary help? I was thinking it would not, because this
> seems to be a custom-built PHP binary.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> - Jay
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From leam at reuel.net  Sun Jan  9 13:35:14 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache/Unix Flavor Issue and Information
In-Reply-To: <001401c4f36b$05f837a0$68e4a144@Liz>
References: <001401c4f36b$05f837a0$68e4a144@Liz>
Message-ID: <20050109183514.GE2884@leitz>

Very normal. I've seen places that set limits on apache, like maybe 1500 or so. 40+ is not that bad. Might want to look at the performance and ram/cpu power of th eserver though. The ones I had doing up to 1500 Apache instances were Sun 420s with, I think 4cpus and 4G ram.

ciao!

leam

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:10:40PM -0500, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> Solaris 8/Apache 1.3.31/PHP 4.3.9
> 
> When checking the processes on the server (commands: ps -el, ps -ef), many
> instances of httpd are listed, perhaps 40+.
> Is this normal for a busy server? Or is Apache demonstrating unusual
> activity and consuming resources inordinately?
> 
> Any talk to this topic would be appreciated.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Director
> PSWebcode
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240


From leam at reuel.net  Sun Jan  9 13:36:56 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:36:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
Message-ID: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>

Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and it flashes a page up that quickly dissappears and leaves me with a "loading" browser.

ciao!

leam



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Jan  9 13:40:05 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:40:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
Message-ID: <20050109184005.GB22136@panix.com>

On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 01:36:56PM -0500, leam at reuel.net wrote:

> Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and 

http://www.php.net/docs.php
Comes up fine.

--Dan

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From smanes at magpie.com  Sun Jan  9 14:22:14 2005
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:22:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
Message-ID: <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>

leam at reuel.net wrote:
> Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and it flashes a page up that quickly dissappears and leaves me with a "loading" browser.

I've got the same problem in Firefox with 
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.die.php



From leam at reuel.net  Sun Jan  9 14:47:36 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:47:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz> <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <20050109194736.GG2884@leitz>

Both my linux/mozilla boxes, not my wife's Mac/Safari...

Odd that...

ciao!

leam

On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:22:14PM -0500, Steve Manes wrote:
> leam at reuel.net wrote:
> >Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and it 
> >flashes a page up that quickly dissappears and leaves me with a "loading" 
> >browser.
> 
> I've got the same problem in Firefox with 
> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.die.php
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 14:53:42 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:53:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz> <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d150501091153a0f4d3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting the same problem with Mozilla.


On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:22:14 -0500, Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com> wrote:
> leam at reuel.net wrote:
> > Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and it flashes a page up that quickly dissappears and leaves me with a "loading" browser.
> 
> I've got the same problem in Firefox with
> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.die.php
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Brian O'Connor


From leam at reuel.net  Sun Jan  9 14:58:16 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:58:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <20050109194736.GG2884@leitz>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz> <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
	<20050109194736.GG2884@leitz>
Message-ID: <20050109195816.GH2884@leitz>

If I disallow javascript the page stays. I thought php was a pretty good language on it's own, why are we using javascript?  :)

ciao!

leam



	On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:47:36PM -0500, leam at reuel.net wrote:
> Both my linux/mozilla boxes, not my wife's Mac/Safari...
> 
> Odd that...
> 
> ciao!
> 
> leam
> 
> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 02:22:14PM -0500, Steve Manes wrote:
> > leam at reuel.net wrote:
> > >Is it just me? I'm trying to look at the manual at php.net/docs.php and it 
> > >flashes a page up that quickly dissappears and leaves me with a "loading" 
> > >browser.
> > 
> > I've got the same problem in Firefox with 
> > http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.die.php


From jperkins at sneer.org  Sun Jan  9 15:21:23 2005
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason N.Perkins)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:21:23 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <20050109195816.GH2884@leitz>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz> <41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>
	<20050109194736.GG2884@leitz> <20050109195816.GH2884@leitz>
Message-ID: <07F93222-627C-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>


On Jan 9, 2005, at 1:58 PM, leam at reuel.net wrote:

> If I disallow javascript the page stays. I thought php was a pretty 
> good language on it's own, why are we using javascript?  :)

XMLHttp objects. More info (and how to disable the functionality) at:

<http://us3.php.net/search.php>


--
Jason N Perkins
<http://sneer.org/>



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Sun Jan  9 20:33:37 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:33:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <07F93222-627C-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
	<41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>	<20050109194736.GG2884@leitz>
	<20050109195816.GH2884@leitz>
	<07F93222-627C-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>
Message-ID: <30388-01154@sneakemail.com>

Jason N.Perkins jperkins-at-sneer.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2005, at 1:58 PM, leam at reuel.net wrote:
>
>> If I disallow javascript the page stays. I thought php was a pretty 
>> good language on it's own, why are we using javascript?  :)
>
> XMLHttp objects. More info (and how to disable the functionality) at:
>
> <http://us3.php.net/search.php>
> -- 
> Jason N Perkins
> <http://sneer.org/>


My Firebird 0.7 has the problem, unless I stop JS.
php.net says to register and then you can set personalizations to remove 
it. Ain't that a killer.

My Firefox 1.0 doesn't have any trouble (even with JS on).


From jperkins at sneer.org  Sun Jan  9 22:08:02 2005
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason N.Perkins)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <30388-01154@sneakemail.com>
References: <20050109183656.GF2884@leitz>
	<41E18466.9050908@magpie.com>	<20050109194736.GG2884@leitz>
	<20050109195816.GH2884@leitz>
	<07F93222-627C-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>
	<30388-01154@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <D7418536-62B4-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>


On Jan 9, 2005, at 7:33 PM, inforequest wrote:

> My Firebird 0.7 has the problem, unless I stop JS.
> php.net says to register and then you can set personalizations to 
> remove it. Ain't that a killer.

There was also a request to submit issues/problems on that page. Just 
saying.


--
Jason N Perkins
<http://sneer.org/>



From nasir81 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 22:17:33 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Developing a Plugin Interface
Message-ID: <40fcda7305010919171f0da934@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking for some help and directions in order to build a plugin
interface for a small CMS I'm working on as my pet project. I've tried
to study some of the blogs/cms scripts that provide plugins. Most of
these scripts make it easy to develop the plugins/modules, but the
interface itself is very complicated.

Thanks for the help.

-- 
Nasir Zubair
http://www.nasir.us/


From ereyes at totalcreations.com  Sun Jan  9 22:53:27 2005
From: ereyes at totalcreations.com (Edgar Reyes)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:53:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?
In-Reply-To: <30388-01154@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <003801c4f6c7$f1233e00$6400a8c0@ERENTR>

I only have the problem with firefox but not with IE, with IE it works
fine.!!!

Go Figure.. 


ER
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of inforequest
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:34 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] problems with php.net/docs.php?

Jason N.Perkins jperkins-at-sneer.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2005, at 1:58 PM, leam at reuel.net wrote:
>
>> If I disallow javascript the page stays. I thought php was a pretty 
>> good language on it's own, why are we using javascript?  :)
>
> XMLHttp objects. More info (and how to disable the functionality) at:
>
> <http://us3.php.net/search.php>
> -- 
> Jason N Perkins
> <http://sneer.org/>


My Firebird 0.7 has the problem, unless I stop JS.
php.net says to register and then you can set personalizations to remove 
it. Ain't that a killer.

My Firefox 1.0 doesn't have any trouble (even with JS on).
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 23:45:34 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:45:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Developing a Plugin Interface
In-Reply-To: <40fcda7305010919171f0da934@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40fcda7305010919171f0da934@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60501092045166ebd8f@mail.gmail.com>

Mambo has a pretty extensive and well-documented API for plugins -
ranging from templates to components.  Take a look there and steal
anything you find of value ;-)

http://www.mamboserver.com/

All I ask is that if you come up with a better idea, you gotta share ;-)

-- Mitch, Mambo Core Developer


On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:33 -0500, Nasir Zubair <nasir81 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for some help and directions in order to build a plugin
> interface for a small CMS I'm working on as my pet project. I've tried
> to study some of the blogs/cms scripts that provide plugins. Most of
> these scripts make it easy to develop the plugins/modules, but the
> interface itself is very complicated.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> --
> Nasir Zubair
> http://www.nasir.us/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From tom at ztml.com  Mon Jan 10 07:54:14 2005
From: tom at ztml.com (Tom Wong)
Date: 10 Jan 2005 12:54:14 -0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Developing a Plugin Interface
Message-ID: <20050110125414.24615.qmail@host180.ipowerweb.com>

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:33 -0500, Nasir Zubair <nasir81 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for some help and directions in order to build a plugin
> interface for a small CMS I'm working on as my pet project. I've tried
> to study some of the blogs/cms scripts that provide plugins. Most of
> these scripts make it easy to develop the plugins/modules, but the
> interface itself is very complicated.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> --
> Nasir Zubair
> http://www.nasir.us/

Hi,

I?m developing a system called TML (Template Markup Language), which provides tools that you can use to build web pages. If a page cannot be constructed with existing tools, you can create new tools that will do that, which is the same as plugins that other projects referring to. I have submitted TML as a project for NYPHP (http://ztml.com/ca/) but they are not interested. If you are interested in giving TML a try, we can work together and build your small CMS.

However, if the CMS that you are building were using system such as Mambo or WordPress, then it would be best to learn how to build the interfaces into those systems. Good luck with your project.

Tom
http://www.ztml.com/



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 10 12:32:56 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:32:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT]  Anyone using RubyRails?
In-Reply-To: <20050110125414.24615.qmail@host180.ipowerweb.com>
References: <20050110125414.24615.qmail@host180.ipowerweb.com>
Message-ID: <16881-30166@sneakemail.com>

curious if anyone has current experience with it including server setup 
issues.

-=john andrews



From blovett at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 14:14:13 2005
From: blovett at gmail.com (Bill Lovett)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
Message-ID: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if the comment system on php.net is available for use
in other applications? I know I can get the files through cvs, but was
wondering if there's any documentation or stuff like that.

I'm looking to add commenting features like php.net's to one of my
open source projects. I don't think I want to go so far as using a
full-blown forum package.


From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon Jan 10 14:38:09 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:38:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501101436200.18960@miranda.org>

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Bill Lovett wrote:

> Does anyone know if the comment system on php.net is available for use
> in other applications? I know I can get the files through cvs, but was
> wondering if there's any documentation or stuff like that.

Welcome to the wonderful world of open source software. :) Actually,
try sending a list to the php-doc mailing list, they may be able to
point you in the right direction.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From smanes at magpie.com  Mon Jan 10 14:39:34 2005
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:39:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com>

Bill Lovett wrote:
> I'm looking to add commenting features like php.net's to one of my
> open source projects. I don't think I want to go so far as using a
> full-blown forum package.

There are dozens of these around.  Look for "guestbook".


From jperkins at sneer.org  Mon Jan 10 14:47:42 2005
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason N.Perkins)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:47:42 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT]  Anyone using RubyRails?
In-Reply-To: <16881-30166@sneakemail.com>
References: <20050110125414.24615.qmail@host180.ipowerweb.com>
	<16881-30166@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <7E181DEA-6340-11D9-9C38-000D93C999BA@sneer.org>


On Jan 10, 2005, at 11:32 AM, inforequest wrote:

> curious if anyone has current experience with it including server 
> setup issues.

I've set it up and have played around with it on OS X. Good stuff, imho.




--
Jason N Perkins
<http://sneer.org/>



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 10 15:39:03 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:39:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>

Steve Manes smanes-at-magpie.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> Bill Lovett wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to add commenting features like php.net's to one of my
>> open source projects. I don't think I want to go so far as using a
>> full-blown forum package.
>
>
> There are dozens of these around.  Look for "guestbook".
> _______________________________________________

If you want to play on the progressive "bleeding" edge and perhaps 
contribute then checkout bbpress
bbpress.org
see it in action here:
http://wordpress.org/support/

-=john andrews



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Mon Jan 10 15:53:28 2005
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:53:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com> <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <AE18C919-6349-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

I started using WordPress a few days ago for blogware and have been 
pretty happy so far.  It seems like it might be a better tool for 
commenting than a forum package.

-Aaron

On Jan 10, 2005, at 3:39 PM, inforequest wrote:

>> Bill Lovett wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to add commenting features like php.net's to one of my
>>> open source projects. I don't think I want to go so far as using a
>>> full-blown forum package.
>>
>>
>> There are dozens of these around.  Look for "guestbook".
>> _______________________________________________
>
> If you want to play on the progressive "bleeding" edge and perhaps 
> contribute then checkout bbpress
> bbpress.org
> see it in action here:
> http://wordpress.org/support/
>
> -=john andrews



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 10 16:07:24 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <AE18C919-6349-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com> <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>
	<AE18C919-6349-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501101602230.47777@emra.pair.com>

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> I started using WordPress a few days ago for blogware and have been
> pretty happy so far.  It seems like it might be a better tool for
> commenting than a forum package.

I've gotten the impression from browsing their site that their
anti-comment-spam approach is still essentially blacklist-based, and that
you will frequently end up having to play cat and mouse with spammers as
they develop knew ways of beating they latest thing someone came up with
to beat them with. Sorry for the poor sentence.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Mon Jan 10 16:19:00 2005
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:19:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501101602230.47777@emra.pair.com>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com> <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>
	<AE18C919-6349-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501101602230.47777@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <3EF14209-634D-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Um, can you explain this a bit?  I'm trying to understand what you're 
saying here, but my brain has come up with too many possibilities so I 
think it's just better to ask.

I did notice that if a user wants to attach comments to a blog post, 
the following line precedes the comment form:
"Line and paragraph breaks automatic, e-mail address never displayed, 
HTML allowed"

Is that relevant to your comments?

-Aaron

On Jan 10, 2005, at 4:07 PM, David Mintz wrote:

>> WordPress

> I've gotten the impression from browsing their site that their
> anti-comment-spam approach is still essentially blacklist-based, and 
> that
> you will frequently end up having to play cat and mouse with spammers 
> as
> they develop knew ways of beating they latest thing someone came up 
> with
> to beat them with. Sorry for the poor sentence.



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 10 16:39:33 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:39:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
In-Reply-To: <3EF14209-634D-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <e3f6c5450501101114265a881e@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E2D9F6.5090700@magpie.com> <7011-41779@sneakemail.com>
	<AE18C919-6349-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501101602230.47777@emra.pair.com>
	<3EF14209-634D-11D9-93C6-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501101633070.47777@emra.pair.com>


Gee it must've been a worse sentence than I thought. My point is that they
apparently have all these plugins that use all kinds of computational
muscle to defeat comment-spamming, as opposed to the fairly new
MoveableType style system, which relies on the TypeKey authentication
service -- a modest PITA for the legitimate commenter, perhaps, but I have
found it 100% effective and stopping comment spamming.


On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Um, can you explain this a bit?  I'm trying to understand what you're
> saying here, but my brain has come up with too many possibilities so I
> think it's just better to ask.
>
> I did notice that if a user wants to attach comments to a blog post,
> the following line precedes the comment form:
> "Line and paragraph breaks automatic, e-mail address never displayed,
> HTML allowed"
>
> Is that relevant to your comments?
>
> On Jan 10, 2005, at 4:07 PM, David Mintz wrote:
>
> >> WordPress
>
> > I've gotten the impression from browsing their site that their
> > anti-comment-spam approach is still essentially blacklist-based,[...]


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 10 16:48:07 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:48:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, David Mintz wrote:

sorry, make that:

> -- a modest PITA for the legitimate commenter, perhaps, but I have
> found it 100% effective at [not 'and'] stopping comment spamming.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From rajlist at rajshekhar.net  Mon Jan 10 21:28:41 2005
From: rajlist at rajshekhar.net (Raj Shekhar)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:58:41 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
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David Mintz wrote:
> Gee it must've been a worse sentence than I thought. My point is that they
> apparently have all these plugins that use all kinds of computational
> muscle to defeat comment-spamming, as opposed to the fairly new
> MoveableType style system, which relies on the TypeKey authentication
> service -- a modest PITA for the legitimate commenter, perhaps, but I have
> found it 100% effective and stopping comment spamming.

Have you used the blacklist feature of the WP ?  I am using it and it is 
quite good.  Yes they have plugins for filtering spam comments (IP 
blocking, checking against open proxies list, Bayesian filtering etc.) , 
however even the default blacklist is good enough to effectively catch 
90% of the spam appearing on my blog.

For those interested, the process is outlined at 
http://rajshekhar.net/blog/index.php?p=49


Personally, I am strongly against registration (for either commenting or 
reading).  Some wikis require you to register before you can edit the 
pages. Isn't that silly ? Yes spam is the problem and registration is 
not the solution.

Regards
-- 
,-.___,-.  Raj Shekhar
\_/_ _\_/  System Administrator, programmer and  slacker
   )O_O(    home : http://rajshekhar.net
  { (_) }   blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog/
   `-^-'    work : http://netphotograph.com


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 10 21:46:19 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:46:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] user contributed notes on php.net
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David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Gee it must've been a worse sentence than I thought. My point is that they
>apparently have all these plugins that use all kinds of computational
>muscle to defeat comment-spamming, as opposed to the fairly new
>MoveableType style system, which relies on the TypeKey authentication
>service -- a modest PITA for the legitimate commenter, perhaps, but I have
>found it 100% effective and stopping comment spamming.
>

A central-signon authentication system like typekey is just a hurdle in 
the way of spammers, just like captchas, word games, pictures, and 
randomized forms. However, a central authority that cannot be trusted 
(such as typekey) is actually more dangerous,because it purports to be 
somehting blog publishers can "trust" and whenever there is trust there 
is a hack. (Typekey can't be trusted because it doesn't actually 
authenticate anyone.. it just acts as a middleman i.e. hurdle).

Granted the only thing at risk here is your blog, but the point is why 
set up a trusted authority if you can't trust it? In other words, why 
pass off some control to a "central authority" when you went to blogging 
in order to be free of the centralized mamagement system for publishing? 
Sure of course SixApart would never abuse all that information about who 
is commenting on what blog...... just like Google can be trusted with 
knwoing-everything-about-you-via-gmail.

Back to Wordpress... it is cutting edge, so you will find plug ins for 
just about every approach to comment spam management, along with blogs 
chronicling how it did or di not work. Here's a page with links 15 
different approaches (tarpit, google redirector, latency management, 
blacklist, etc etc etc).

http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2004/09/15/wordpress-comment-spam-stoppage-techniques/


-=john andrews








From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 10 22:12:55 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:12:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] combatting comment spam [was: user contributed notes
	on php.net]
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Hmm, this is so interesting I'm glad we brought it up (-: I see your point
about handing the keys to the kingdom over to a 3rd party (my words, not
yours, granted...) but OTOH it works (in my experience), and I don't have
to spend ~any~ time perusing blogs dedicated to which of the latest and
greatest anti-spam plugins works best.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, inforequest wrote:

>
> A central-signon authentication system like typekey is just a hurdle in
> the way of spammers, just like captchas, word games, pictures, and
> randomized forms. However, a central authority that cannot be trusted
> (such as typekey) is actually more dangerous,because it purports to be
> somehting blog publishers can "trust" and whenever there is trust there
> is a hack. (Typekey can't be trusted because it doesn't actually
> authenticate anyone.. it just acts as a middleman i.e. hurdle).
>
> Granted the only thing at risk here is your blog, but the point is why
> set up a trusted authority if you can't trust it? In other words, why
> pass off some control to a "central authority" when you went to blogging
> in order to be free of the centralized mamagement system for publishing?
[...]
> Back to Wordpress... it is cutting edge, so you will find plug ins for
> just about every approach to comment spam management, along with blogs
> chronicling how it did or di not work. Here's a page with links 15
> different approaches (tarpit, google redirector, latency management,
> blacklist, etc etc etc)[...]

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 10 22:19:58 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:19:58 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [nycphp-talk] combatting comment spam [was: user contributed
	notes	on php.net]
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David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Hmm, this is so interesting I'm glad we brought it up (-: I see your point
>about handing the keys to the kingdom over to a 3rd party (my words, not
>yours, granted...) but OTOH it works (in my experience), and I don't have
>to spend ~any~ time perusing blogs dedicated to which of the latest and
>greatest anti-spam plugins works best.
>

Yes, that is exactly correct. You trust them because it is convenient, 
it appears to work, and they appear to be trustworthy. Isn't that how 
government always starts? ;-)

-=john andrews








From nasir81 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 22:21:02 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:21:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Developing a Plugin Interface
In-Reply-To: <330532b60501092045166ebd8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40fcda7305010919171f0da934@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60501092045166ebd8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda73050110192112f9dd2b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mitch, I downloaded it and am looking at its source code.
Developing the plugins/modules seems to be pretty easy, but not yet
sure about the interface that detects and runs the plugins. Will let
you know if I make any progress :-)

-- 
Nasir Zubair
http://www.nasir.us/


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 22:36:12 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:36:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Developing a Plugin Interface
In-Reply-To: <40fcda73050110192112f9dd2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40fcda7305010919171f0da934@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60501092045166ebd8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<40fcda73050110192112f9dd2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011019364a0845d1@mail.gmail.com>

Another interesting project is SMF, a forum that IMHO looks like it
should be the king of the hill - fast, modular, more secure than
phpBB, and free.  Basically vbulletin for free LOL

http://www.simplemachines.org/smf

They have a web-based plugin browser that lets you select what you
want do install from the admin interface on your own forum, VERY NICE.

-- Mitch, thinking about doing the same for Mambo 5.0

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:21:02 -0500, Nasir Zubair <nasir81 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Mitch, I downloaded it and am looking at its source code.
> Developing the plugins/modules seems to be pretty easy, but not yet
> sure about the interface that detects and runs the plugins. Will let
> you know if I make any progress :-)
> 
> --
> Nasir Zubair
> http://www.nasir.us/
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From Cbielanski at inta.org  Tue Jan 11 09:11:43 2005
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:11:43 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [nycphp-talk] combatting comment spam [was: user cont
	ributed notes	on php.net]
Message-ID: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB04@intamail1.com>

> 
> David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal 
> group use| wrote:
> 
> >Hmm, this is so interesting I'm glad we brought it up (-: I 
> >see your point[...]but OTOH it works (in my experience)[.]
> >
> Yes, that is exactly correct. You trust them because it is 
> convenient, 
> it appears to work, and they appear to be trustworthy. Isn't that how 
> government always starts? ;-)
> 
> -=john andrews

...and trust - like freedom - carries with it the toll of "constant
vigilance," to paraphrase B. Franklin... ;)

~C


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 11:39:57 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:39:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone here installed ZSS and had it cause this problem?

i use a dynamic dns hostname http://codebowl.dontexist.net/phpinfo.php

this domain really redirects to
http://codebowl.homelinux.net:8001/phpinfo.php i do that so that if i
change my port i dont have to tell everyone, it redirects
automatically.

now when i call that page from this local machine, i keep getting the
save dialog in firefox, however when someone else calls the page it
shows the phpinfo()

also i should note that if i use http://localhost:8001/ it loads the
php files for me just fine.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Tue Jan 11 13:53:04 2005
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:53:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Seeking comments on "PHP Power Programming"
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F9033E0A83A@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

The publisher of  "PHP 5 Power Programming," authored by Andi Gutmans/Stig
Bakken and Derick Rethans, http://www.phptr.com/title/013147149X is seeking
comments and recommendations for the book.

If you have interest in sharing your review of the book, please respond to
me at mailto:mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com and I will put you in touch with them.

Mike





From psaw at pswebcode.com  Tue Jan 11 14:06:00 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP "connection_aborted" and Capturing User Log Out /
	Browser Close
Message-ID: <000901c4f810$9a1acf70$68e4a144@Liz>

Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a session
termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site can be
captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.

I need to track user time logged into a site. I am using PHP sessions.
Currently, capturing the user Log In efforts and capturing the user Log Out
time when they hit Logout button.

Any solution suggestions for capturing log out time of users who just close
the browser?

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
psaw at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240




From rahmin at insite-out.com  Tue Jan 11 14:16:57 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:16:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
Message-ID: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Jan 11 14:23:07 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:23:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
References: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <41E4279B.1090406@bitblit.net>

Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:

>A possible solution would be log 'on-site' time by saving a timestamp of every
>page view.  We do that in-part to prevent additional log-in's from the same
>account during a given active timeframe.
>

Most web stats tracking is bogus.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From psaw at pswebcode.com  Tue Jan 11 14:33:09 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:33:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f814$64d6ce50$68e4a144@Liz>

This is a possible "almost does it" option. 

The time of every new page hit by the user can be entered as the newest
logout time. So if they never formally logout we at least have an
approximate Log Out time. If they really Log Out, we get the Log Out time
for real.

By the by, there is a way to rig something with JavaScript and the onUnload
event. But it has pitfalls too.

I am surprised now that PHP doesn't offer "on session start" and "on session
end" event capturing, or am I wrong?

Thanks, 

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Rahmin Pavlovic
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP




On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06 , Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> sent:

>Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a 
>session termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site 
>can be captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.
>
>I need to track user time logged into a site. I am using PHP sessions. 
>Currently, capturing the user Log In efforts and capturing the user Log 
>Out time when they hit Logout button.
>
>Any solution suggestions for capturing log out time of users who just 
>close the browser?
>

A possible solution would be log 'on-site' time by saving a timestamp of
every page view.  We do that in-part to prevent additional log-in's from the
same account during a given active timeframe.


_______________________________________________
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Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
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http://www.nyphp.org




From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 14:42:26 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Profiling Applications
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

i have a database class that i have created to make working with the
database connections much easier for me, however on my dev machine i
have the following specs

P4 1.4ghz
128mb RDRAM

my question is this....

would my small amount of ram lag my mysql connections?
If i put the site on a live server with more ram etc.. would it load faster?
again this is on my dev machine, however i am thinking it is my
resources that are slowing it almost to a halt, i have never seen a
site (properly coded) that takes 5+ seconds to load the total load
time for this page and profile is
5.5078 seconds (according to my timer class).

i have profiled my app and i see that smarty and my DB::Open method
are what is hogging the load times.  for instance here is my open
method

	public function open() {
		$this->_link = mysql_connect( $this->_host, $this->_user, $this->_pass);
		if ( $this->_link == null ) {
			throw new MySQLEx( '$db->_link == null, connection to
'.$this->_host.' failed');
		}
		if( !mysql_select_db( $this->_database, $this->_link ) ) {
			throw new MySQLEx("could not select database!<br>".mysql_error());
		}
	}

should that really take this long to run?
the rest of the page aside from these 2 objects run around 600 (ms)
each still slow but nowhere near as slow as these 2

here are the results of one such profiling

MySQL

MySQL::__construct                               0.11 (ms)
MySQL::Open                                  4,199.46 (ms)
MySQL::FetchAll                                     0.22 (ms)
main                                                       0.92 (ms)
MySQL::NumRows                             163.25 (ms)
MySQL::Query                                    863.41 (ms)
MySQL::FetchArray                              12.11 (ms)

Total:                                              5.238.74 (ms)
Percent                                                46.90 percent

Smarty

Smarty::Smarty                                   0.03 (ms)
Smarty::Display                                   0.03 (ms)
Smarty::fetch                                2,119.29 (ms)
main                                                 106.11 (ms)
Smarty::_get_plugin_filepath              1.74 (ms)
Smarty::_smarty_include             1,859.19 (ms)
Smarty::_is_compiled                        17.49 (ms)
Smarty::_get_compile_path                 0.26 (ms)
Smarty::_fetch_resource_info              1.47 (ms)
Smarty::_parse_resource_name      161.26 (ms)
Smarty::_get_auto_filename              20.46 (ms)
Smarty::assign                                      0.06 (ms)

Total:                                              4,297.84 (ms) 
Percent                                                38.40 percent


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 14:45:42 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:45:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Profiling Applications
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011111455e52ae61@mail.gmail.com>

i should also tell you that the profiler said total time to load was
13,549.5 (ms)

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From george at omniti.com  Tue Jan 11 14:49:59 2005
From: george at omniti.com (George Schlossnagle)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:49:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Profiling Applications
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9CC8F57-6409-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>


On Jan 11, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> should that really take this long to run?
> the rest of the page aside from these 2 objects run around 600 (ms)
> each still slow but nowhere near as slow as these 2

DNS issue looking up your mysql hostname perhaps?  Can you generate an 
internal function level profile?

George



From cderr at simons-rock.edu  Tue Jan 11 14:59:19 2005
From: cderr at simons-rock.edu (charlie derr)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:59:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <000b01c4f814$64d6ce50$68e4a144@Liz>
References: <000b01c4f814$64d6ce50$68e4a144@Liz>
Message-ID: <41E43017.8000404@simons-rock.edu>

What about using <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="60; http://yoururl">
in the header of the page?

As i understand it, this would try to grab a new copy of the page every
minute (modify the 60 if you want a longer or shorter time).  By keeping
track of when the reloads cease, you'd know when the visitor closed the
browser (or lost network connectivity) even if she/he didn't hit the logout
button.

And surely it'll be no picnic to integrate something like this with your
already existing authentication code (so that it works seamlessly and doesn't
demand a new login on every automatic refresh once a minute).  And if your
pages are places where people can input data (via forms), it'd be a real
drag to have the page automatically reload (and lose the paragraph or so of
text that your visitor just entered in a form field(s)).


	good luck,	
		~c

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> This is a possible "almost does it" option. 
> 
> The time of every new page hit by the user can be entered as the newest
> logout time. So if they never formally logout we at least have an
> approximate Log Out time. If they really Log Out, we get the Log Out time
> for real.
> 
> By the by, there is a way to rig something with JavaScript and the onUnload
> event. But it has pitfalls too.
> 
> I am surprised now that PHP doesn't offer "on session start" and "on session
> end" event capturing, or am I wrong?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Rahmin Pavlovic
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06 , Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> sent:
> 
> 
>>Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a 
>>session termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site 
>>can be captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.
>>
>>I need to track user time logged into a site. I am using PHP sessions. 
>>Currently, capturing the user Log In efforts and capturing the user Log 
>>Out time when they hit Logout button.
>>
>>Any solution suggestions for capturing log out time of users who just 
>>close the browser?
>>
> 
> 
> A possible solution would be log 'on-site' time by saving a timestamp of
> every page view.  We do that in-part to prevent additional log-in's from the
> same account during a given active timeframe.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org



From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 15:05:21 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:05:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Profiling Applications
In-Reply-To: <F9CC8F57-6409-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9CC8F57-6409-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050111120547273c5b@mail.gmail.com>

my mysql hostname is localhost there shouldnt be any issues looking
that up :D  i will try 127.0.0.1 though.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Jan 11 15:08:53 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:08:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <41E43017.8000404@simons-rock.edu>
References: <000b01c4f814$64d6ce50$68e4a144@Liz>
	<41E43017.8000404@simons-rock.edu>
Message-ID: <41E43255.6030808@bitblit.net>

charlie derr wrote:

> What about using <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="60; http://yoururl">
> in the header of the page?


Pretty annoying if you're on dialup, especially if you just logged off...

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From george at omniti.com  Tue Jan 11 15:07:49 2005
From: george at omniti.com (George Schlossnagle)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:07:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Profiling Applications
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050111120547273c5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9CC8F57-6409-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
	<8d9a4280050111120547273c5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77CA94AA-640C-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>


On Jan 11, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> my mysql hostname is localhost there shouldnt be any issues looking
> that up :D  i will try 127.0.0.1 though.


What profiler are you using?  The results do seem a bit sketchy.  If 
those are the best you can get from your profiler, you may try to 
follow the process with strace and see what that turns up.

George



From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 15:11:18 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:11:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Profiling Applications
In-Reply-To: <77CA94AA-640C-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111114236b2fb3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9CC8F57-6409-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
	<8d9a4280050111120547273c5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<77CA94AA-640C-11D9-8C51-000D93359332@omniti.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011112115bcf5830@mail.gmail.com>

i am using zend studio's profiling capabilities, however when i load
the page in a browser my timer object (times the load time) reports
that it is 5+ seconds

can you give me some insight about strace?

I was using APD however when i installed Zend Studio Server it had
conflicts and i had to remove APD.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From psaw at pswebcode.com  Tue Jan 11 15:19:02 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:19:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <41E43017.8000404@simons-rock.edu>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f81a$ce107640$68e4a144@Liz>

Couple of alternate solutions (viable but got pitfalls):

1) Tiny JavaScripted popup or popunder window polls the opener page for it's
existence. When opener page disappears, the popup window does location
change to PHP logout page, processes, and then closes itself. 

2) 1x1 transparent gif src points to PHP script page that polls for
"connectin_aborted" and fires logout script when true.

Peter

 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of charlie derr
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:59 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP


What about using <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="60; http://yoururl"> in
the header of the page?

As i understand it, this would try to grab a new copy of the page every
minute (modify the 60 if you want a longer or shorter time).  By keeping
track of when the reloads cease, you'd know when the visitor closed the
browser (or lost network connectivity) even if she/he didn't hit the logout
button.

And surely it'll be no picnic to integrate something like this with your
already existing authentication code (so that it works seamlessly and
doesn't demand a new login on every automatic refresh once a minute).  And
if your pages are places where people can input data (via forms), it'd be a
real drag to have the page automatically reload (and lose the paragraph or
so of text that your visitor just entered in a form field(s)).


	good luck,	
		~c

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> This is a possible "almost does it" option.
> 
> The time of every new page hit by the user can be entered as the 
> newest logout time. So if they never formally logout we at least have 
> an approximate Log Out time. If they really Log Out, we get the Log 
> Out time for real.
> 
> By the by, there is a way to rig something with JavaScript and the 
> onUnload event. But it has pitfalls too.
> 
> I am surprised now that PHP doesn't offer "on session start" and "on 
> session end" event capturing, or am I wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Rahmin Pavlovic
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:17 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06 , Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> sent:
> 
> 
>>Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a
>>session termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site 
>>can be captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.
>>
>>I need to track user time logged into a site. I am using PHP sessions.
>>Currently, capturing the user Log In efforts and capturing the user Log 
>>Out time when they hit Logout button.
>>
>>Any solution suggestions for capturing log out time of users who just
>>close the browser?
>>
> 
> 
> A possible solution would be log 'on-site' time by saving a timestamp 
> of every page view.  We do that in-part to prevent additional log-in's 
> from the same account during a given active timeframe.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP) 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP) 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org

_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org




From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Tue Jan 11 18:04:21 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
References: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>

Joe,

Did you check all of your queries? That seems to be the other (yet also
typical) long response that was returned. Just seems that if your running
localhost (and your Development workstation is the server), it's most not
likely going to be 'locating issues'... back-to-basics is where i always
start from, I'd go back through once more over the queries, make sure
prefixs exist where they need for tables, change error reporting while you
have the opportunity before the page goes live etc.

-Edward

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Crawford" <codebowl at gmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server


> Has anyone here installed ZSS and had it cause this problem?
>
> i use a dynamic dns hostname http://codebowl.dontexist.net/phpinfo.php
>
> this domain really redirects to
> http://codebowl.homelinux.net:8001/phpinfo.php i do that so that if i
> change my port i dont have to tell everyone, it redirects
> automatically.
>
> now when i call that page from this local machine, i keep getting the
> save dialog in firefox, however when someone else calls the page it
> shows the phpinfo()
>
> also i should note that if i use http://localhost:8001/ it loads the
> php files for me just fine.
>
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>




From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 18:32:26 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:32:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
In-Reply-To: <003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>
References: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501111532e3179f0@mail.gmail.com>

it's not the queries, it's the MySQL::Open method that is called once

the queries seem to run fast

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Tue Jan 11 19:08:30 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:08:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
References: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com><003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>
	<8d9a42800501111532e3179f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4f83a$d9c2cb30$45896e41@ced>

Joe,
Have you tried making a seperate "open" file and then including it?
-Edward
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Crawford" <codebowl at gmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server


> it's not the queries, it's the MySQL::Open method that is called once
> 
> the queries seem to run fast
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



From psaw at pswebcode.com  Tue Jan 11 19:41:46 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:41:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Nyphp.org -- PDA and Mobile Environments
Message-ID: <001b01c4f83f$828244e0$68e4a144@Liz>

How do we look on a PDA? 

Can at least the mailing lists and the future member directory section be
worked to play in a mobile environment?

For the PDA, isn't it a matter of some browser detection, maybe a little CSS
adjustment and maybe some stripped down JavaScript or a little new WML to
get the introductory pages to look good and function on Pocket Internet
Explorer?

Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) for Pocket PC (PPC) 2003 supports:
HTML 4.0 
XML 
XHTML
CSS
JScript 5.5 (approx. ECMAScript v3 or JavaScript 1.5) 
Animated GIFS
WAP 2.0

Any thoughts?

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
psaw at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 20:27:17 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:27:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP "connection_aborted" and Capturing User Log Out
	/ Browser Close
In-Reply-To: <000901c4f810$9a1acf70$68e4a144@Liz>
References: <000901c4f810$9a1acf70$68e4a144@Liz>
Message-ID: <330532b6050111172761ded4c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06:00 -0500, Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a session
> termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site can be
> captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.

Hey Peter,

What I have done in the past was include a timestamp in the session
(cookie that is, as well as in an 'online' table in the database), and
after 5 minutes the authentication script updates the timestamp in the
database.  I then have a cron job running every 5 minutes that deletes
any records with timestamps > 5 minutes old.

In essence, if you close the browser or leave without logging out,
your 'session' will get tossed in 5 minutes.

I'd love to hear of other approaches, to see what makes the most sense.

-- Mitch


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 22:03:04 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:03:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
In-Reply-To: <000501c4f83a$d9c2cb30$45896e41@ced>
References: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>
	<8d9a42800501111532e3179f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<000501c4f83a$d9c2cb30$45896e41@ced>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501111903506a3637@mail.gmail.com>

i will do this in the morning but i couldnt see the object being of
that much of a bottleneck.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 13:03:16 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:03:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio Server
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800501111903506a3637@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050111083972c5160e@mail.gmail.com>
	<003a01c4f831$e366af20$45896e41@ced>
	<8d9a42800501111532e3179f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<000501c4f83a$d9c2cb30$45896e41@ced>
	<8d9a42800501111903506a3637@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011210035846cb4b@mail.gmail.com>

i have tested this way as well and it seems to be the same as using an
object, at first it seemed faster, then i tested the object way again
and using the object actually wasnt as slow this morning, maybe it's
because i am running everything on 128mb ram maybe not.

apps i am running

Xwindows
Zend Studio
Firefox
Gaim
xTerm

i have tried it with closing Gaim and the xTerm and it seemed to go a
bit faster, so i am once again left thinking that it is just a memory
issue that will hopefully be resolved soon.



-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From brian at vermonster.com  Wed Jan 12 15:41:14 2005
From: brian at vermonster.com (Brian Kaney)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Windows 2003 - IIS 6 - mssql connect issue
Message-ID: <1105562474.28757.38.camel@brian.vermonster.com>

Greetings,

I am having a strange data access issue, maybe someone out there could
help (I am a Linux guy and don't know my way around in win32/IIS).  Here
is the environment:

Application Server:
 Windows 2003
 IIS 6.0
 PHP 4.3.10

Database Server:
 Windows 2003
 SQLServer 2000

The App server reports a connection error when attempting to open a
mssql connection to the DB server.  I am using SQLServer Users (not
Windows Users) to authenticate into the DB.  

Looking at the user comments on mssql_connect (php.net), I've tried:
installing MDAC 2.8, changing the Everyone/Anonymous Policy, and
enabling guest accounts.

The connection error is not a native error code, indicating the
SQLServer is not getting the connection attempt (must be blocked at the
server level).

I tried various authentication setting in IIS.  It seems IIS is trying
to pass the web users credentials to the DB server before trying the
SQLServer connection.  Am I missing an IIS security setting?


Quirks:  The exact same code works from IIS 5.0 / Windows 2000 (to the
same DB server), so I think it is an IIS 6.0 / Windows 2003 issue. 
Another disturbing thing we found is if we authenticate Administrator
_and_ the Administrator passwords on the App and DB server match, it
connects!


Any Windows gurus out there with any experience and/or suggestions?


Sorry in advance for the long post, but I've spent days trying to figure
this one out!


- Brian





From Cbielanski at inta.org  Wed Jan 12 16:30:03 2005
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:30:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] The CMS Dance Redux
Message-ID: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>

Pardon the OT-ness, but I seek professional advice about content Management
Systems.
Right now we're looking over the featuresets of three: Mambo, ezPublish, and
Contribute. This may sound ridiculous but I've been asked to look for a
commercial product, like Contribute, that we can review to allay the
concerns that we did not do sufficient research.

Personally, I'm ready to jam some Mambo up in here and rock on, but it's a
decision above my head.

What other commercial CMS systems out there aren't utter hell on the user
and the admin? First hand experience is preferred but I'll take anecdotes,
too.


Thanks,
Chris Bielanski
Web Programmer, 
International Trademark Association,
1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
New York, NY 10036
+1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org  
INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence




From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 16:36:11 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:36:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] The CMS Dance Redux
In-Reply-To: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>
References: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011213362ebcebdb@mail.gmail.com>

this might be one worth looking into
http://matrix.squiz.net/

i hear it's pretty good but then again that's from my friend who works
for them and is the lead programmer for the installer or something
like that, personally i never tried it, except a demo that he had
setup for me.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 16:49:12 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:49:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] The CMS Dance Redux
In-Reply-To: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>
References: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011213491499b852@mail.gmail.com>

As a Mambo developer I am biased - but can still say in all honesty
nobody can compete feature-for-feature with Plone (www.plone.org). 
The only real needs you have are:

1) you gotta have hardware - the environment is big (think aircraft
carrier) and you will need both reverse proxy servers (I recommend
pound) and a dedicated SMP machine for zope

2) you will need someone with python experience - managing a plone
site is really a no-brainer once you get it installed, but then
someone starts asking about customization, then you get hooked up wth
Archetypes (my favourite feature)...

Those two things handled, it is a VERY powerful environment that will
handle anything they could possibly dream up. I even plugged Zope
hosted on a linux machine directly to a MS SQL server, all with FOSS
goodies (FreeTDS, SQL Relay and some voodoo).

With OpenSourceCMS you can demo just about every single LAMP-based CMS
available, so that should be an afternoon spent wisely. I was drawn to
Mambo over the administration interface, and that opinion is purely
subjective!  To each his own.

I'd like to see your results posted here just for grins, as somebody
seems to ask a similar question once a month.

I'd also like to commend your wisdom in your initial recommendation ;-)

-- Mambo Mitch

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:30:03 -0500, Chris Bielanski <Cbielanski at inta.org> wrote:
> Pardon the OT-ness, but I seek professional advice about content Management
> Systems.
> Right now we're looking over the featuresets of three: Mambo, ezPublish, and
> Contribute. This may sound ridiculous but I've been asked to look for a
> commercial product, like Contribute, that we can review to allay the
> concerns that we did not do sufficient research.
> 
> Personally, I'm ready to jam some Mambo up in here and rock on, but it's a
> decision above my head.
> 
> What other commercial CMS systems out there aren't utter hell on the user
> and the admin? First hand experience is preferred but I'll take anecdotes,
> too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Bielanski
> Web Programmer,
> International Trademark Association,
> 1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
> New York, NY 10036
> +1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
> mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org
> INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Wed Jan 12 18:04:09 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:04:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] The CMS Dance Redux
References: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB0A@intamail1.com>
Message-ID: <000701c4f8fb$06c39fe0$45896e41@ced>

Chris,

I've used MAcromedia's Contribute several times, it's ability to send"timed
access keys", limi editable regions and moe make it a pretty well-rounded
choice, if you're gonna dump in the dough, I'd give MAcromedia the Go...
rhyming intended:P

-Edward JS Prevost II
Consult at covenantedesign.com
www.covenantedesign.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Bielanski" <Cbielanski at inta.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk (E-mail)" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] The CMS Dance Redux


> Pardon the OT-ness, but I seek professional advice about content
Management
> Systems.
> Right now we're looking over the featuresets of three: Mambo, ezPublish,
and
> Contribute. This may sound ridiculous but I've been asked to look for a
> commercial product, like Contribute, that we can review to allay the
> concerns that we did not do sufficient research.
>
> Personally, I'm ready to jam some Mambo up in here and rock on, but it's a
> decision above my head.
>
> What other commercial CMS systems out there aren't utter hell on the user
> and the admin? First hand experience is preferred but I'll take anecdotes,
> too.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Bielanski
> Web Programmer,
> International Trademark Association,
> 1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
> New York, NY 10036
> +1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
> mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org
> INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>




From nyphp at aumcomputers.com  Thu Jan 13 06:19:32 2005
From: nyphp at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:32 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP "connection_aborted" and Capturing User Log Out/
	Browser Close
References: <000901c4f810$9a1acf70$68e4a144@Liz>
	<330532b6050111172761ded4c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022a01c4f961$ca672dc0$10cc000a@aum1>

We use same option that mitch uses. I don't see any other way better than
this one.

Anirudh Zala (Z)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitch Pirtle" <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP "connection_aborted" and Capturing User Log
Out/ Browser Close


> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06:00 -0500, Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com>
wrote:
> > Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a
session
> > termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site can be
> > captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.
>
> Hey Peter,
>
> What I have done in the past was include a timestamp in the session
> (cookie that is, as well as in an 'online' table in the database), and
> after 5 minutes the authentication script updates the timestamp in the
> database.  I then have a cron job running every 5 minutes that deletes
> any records with timestamps > 5 minutes old.
>
> In essence, if you close the browser or leave without logging out,
> your 'session' will get tossed in 5 minutes.
>
> I'd love to hear of other approaches, to see what makes the most sense.
>
> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 10:03:39 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:33:39 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
Message-ID: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>

It would be a great help if someone can point out curl resources.
Thank you


From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan 13 12:39:41 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:39:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E6B25D.3070208@bitblit.net>

Sajith A wrote:

>It would be a great help if someone can point out curl resources.
>

Did Google break when I wasn't looking? ;-)

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Thu Jan 13 13:03:54 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:03:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
In-Reply-To: <41E6B25D.3070208@bitblit.net>
References: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E6B25D.3070208@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <41E6B80A.3030702@cyberxdesigns.com>

Ajai Khattri wrote:

> Sajith A wrote:
>
>> It would be a great help if someone can point out curl resources.
>>
>
> Did Google break when I wasn't looking? ;-)
>
Why put pigeons to work when you can put people to work?



-- 
Hans C. Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Thu Jan 13 13:13:23 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:13:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
References: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com><41E6B25D.3070208@bitblit.net>
	<41E6B80A.3030702@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4f99b$9277d330$45896e41@ced>

Umm, I have curls, in my hair. =D

-Edward
www.CovenantEdesign.com
consult at covenantedesign.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans C. Kaspersetz" <hans at cyberxdesigns.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Curl


> Ajai Khattri wrote:
> 
> > Sajith A wrote:
> >
> >> It would be a great help if someone can point out curl resources.
> >>
> >
> > Did Google break when I wasn't looking? ;-)
> >
> Why put pigeons to work when you can put people to work?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Hans C. Kaspersetz
> Cyber X Designs
> 
> http://www.cyberxdesigns.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 13:26:38 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:26:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4f99b$9277d330$45896e41@ced>
References: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E6B25D.3070208@bitblit.net> <41E6B80A.3030702@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<000e01c4f99b$9277d330$45896e41@ced>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011310264613b432@mail.gmail.com>

lol

i think the most obvious and probably one of the best would be 

http://php.net/curl


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From rajlist at rajshekhar.net  Thu Jan 13 14:08:38 2005
From: rajlist at rajshekhar.net (Raj Shekhar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:38:38 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Curl
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113070370a4a766@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E6C736.1000404@rajshekhar.net>

Sajith A wrote:
> It would be a great help if someone can point out curl resources.

http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/php/examples/

-- 
,-.___,-.  Raj Shekhar
\_/_ _\_/  System Administrator, programmer and  slacker
   )O_O(    home : http://rajshekhar.net
  { (_) }   blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog/
   `-^-'    work : http://netphotograph.com


From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 00:23:11 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:53:11 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
Message-ID: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
wrong.. I would like to know
whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".


From faber at linuxnj.com  Fri Jan 14 00:36:48 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:36:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050114053648.GA20771@uranus.faber.nom>

On 14/01/05 10:53 +0530, Sajith A wrote:
> I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
> wrong.. I would like to know
> whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
> FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".

Depends on the table. Read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/EXPLAIN.html 
then do

EXPLAIN SELECT count(*) FROM table;

EXPLAIN SELECT count(field) from table;

at the mysql prompt and let us know what you find.

-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From fields at hedge.net  Fri Jan 14 00:43:10 2005
From: fields at hedge.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:43:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <20050114053648.GA20771@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050114053648.GA20771@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20050114054310.GR10666@lola.aquick.org>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 12:36:48AM -0500, Faber Fedor wrote:
> On 14/01/05 10:53 +0530, Sajith A wrote:
> > I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
> > wrong.. I would like to know
> > whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
> > FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".
> 
> Depends on the table. Read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/EXPLAIN.html 
> then do
> 
> EXPLAIN SELECT count(*) FROM table;
> 
> EXPLAIN SELECT count(field) from table;
> 
> at the mysql prompt and let us know what you find.

This won't show anything different - there's no where clause, and the
row determination will be the same. That doesn't mean one isn't
faster because you're moving less data around.

I hope that it would optimize this to reading off an internal row
counter rather than fetching all of the rows and counting them. In the
former case, they should be the same. If it's doing the latter,
count(field) will be faster.

But I don't know for sure.

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Fri Jan 14 09:31:39 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:31:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <20050114054310.GR10666@lola.aquick.org>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050114053648.GA20771@uranus.faber.nom>
	<20050114054310.GR10666@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <20050114143139.GA23475@uranus.faber.nom>

On 14/01/05 00:43 -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
> This won't show anything different

Looks different to me:

mysql> explain select count(*) from foobar  ;
+------------------------------+
| Comment                      |
+------------------------------+
| Select tables optimized away |
+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.01 sec)

mysql> explain select count(row_names) from r1000g_meanVectors  ;
+--------------------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+------+-------+
| table  | type | possible_keys | key  | key_len | ref  | rows | Extra |
+--------------------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+------+-------+
| foobar | ALL  | NULL          | NULL |    NULL | NULL | 149 |       |
+--------------------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+------+-------+
1 row in set (0.01 sec)

> I hope that it would optimize this to reading off an internal row
> counter rather than fetching all of the rows and counting them. In the
> former case, they should be the same. If it's doing the latter,
> count(field) will be faster.

The first one in my example says to me "I don't even need to look at the
table, I already know the answer" and the second one tells me the table
has to be looked at.


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From mark at nostromo.net  Fri Jan 14 10:49:07 2005
From: mark at nostromo.net (Mark Horton)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:49:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E7E9F3.4050101@nostromo.net>

Sajith A wrote:
> I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
> wrong.. I would like to know
> whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
> FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".

Mysql has different table types.  MyISAM tables always know the number 
of rows within the table.  The result of "SELECT (*) from table" is 
always known and should return instantly.

This may not work on other table types however.  For instance, it does 
not work for InnoDB tables.

Mark


From zaunere at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:50:42 2005
From: zaunere at gmail.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:50:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <41E7E9F3.4050101@nostromo.net>
Message-ID: <20050114164650.5BEE999DC@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>


> > I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
> > wrong.. I would like to know
> > whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
> > FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".

Those queries are the same performance wise.  Adding in a GROUP BY, however,
could change the query.

> Mysql has different table types.  MyISAM tables always know the number
> of rows within the table.  The result of "SELECT (*) from table" is
> always known and should return instantly.

Correct... as part of the MyISAM data structure, the number of rows is kept.
However, using a GROUP BY would still cause for a calculation in some cases.

> This may not work on other table types however.  For instance, it does
> not work for InnoDB tables.

These still all work for InnoDB, however InnoDB doesn't keep the number of
rows as part of it's data structure.  So, for a MyISAM table:

SELECT COUNT(*) FROM mytable

Will always return instantly, whereas for a InnoDB table, it actually has to
make the count (which makes sense, since InnoDB is ACID transactional).


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Gmail: The 1gb spam catcher 






From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 13:29:43 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:29:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>

can anyone criticize this and maybe point me to a good site to help me
learn to do this stuff better?

http://codebowl.homelinux.net:8001/flow/

i just found RoboChart for linux which seems pretty good :D

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 13:30:49 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:30:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011410303c1734c7@mail.gmail.com>

and when i say a good site, please dont respond with google :D i am
already searching there for resources i just thought someone here
might have a good one i may not stumble accross.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Fri Jan 14 14:05:24 2005
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:05:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050114190512.GA15013@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:29:43PM -0500, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> can anyone criticize this and maybe point me to a good site to help me
> learn to do this stuff better?

IBM has some good articles on UML:
	http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/content/RationalEdge/archives/uml.html

And then the Garrett IA doc:
	http://www.jjg.net/ia/visvocab/

HTH,
Andrew


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:09:08 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:09:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <20050114190512.GA15013@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050114190512.GA15013@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050114110923353aa@mail.gmail.com>

thanks andrew :D

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From zaunere at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:39:05 2005
From: zaunere at gmail.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:39:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: new tool : the first remote PHP vulnerability
	scanner
Message-ID: <41e81fe2.3ccaaae9.205d.000c@smtp.gmail.com>


Might be of interest to some...

> 
> rpvs aka Remote PHP Vulnerability Scanner
> 
> rpvs isn't a cgi scanner
> 
> screenshot: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/efil4zaggin.PNG
> 
> binary: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/rpvs.exe
> 
> code source: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/rpvs_src/



From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:44:48 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:44:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: new tool : the first remote PHP vulnerability
	scanner
In-Reply-To: <41e81fe2.3ccaaae9.205d.000c@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <41e81fe2.3ccaaae9.205d.000c@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011411444ddde856@mail.gmail.com>

is there a linux version?


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From jlacey at att.net  Fri Jan 14 14:48:09 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:48:09 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: new tool : the first remote PHP vulnerability
	scanner
In-Reply-To: <41e81fe2.3ccaaae9.205d.000c@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <41e81fe2.3ccaaae9.205d.000c@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E821F9.9010504@att.net>

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Might be of interest to some...
> 
> 
>>rpvs aka Remote PHP Vulnerability Scanner
>>
>>rpvs isn't a cgi scanner
>>
>>screenshot: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/efil4zaggin.PNG
>>
>>binary: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/rpvs.exe
>>
>>code source: http://overdose.tcpteam.org/rpvs_src/
> 
>

sounds interesting.. I'll check it out, thanks

RNCS "rpvs is not a cgi scanner" -- does that work?
:)
J



From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 15:33:02 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:33:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050114110923353aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050114190512.GA15013@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
	<8d9a4280050114110923353aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050114123317d17dd9@mail.gmail.com>

a heads up for anyone looking to do flow charts on linux, RoboChart is
horrible compared to Kivio which is part of kOffice. the ui in Kivio
blows my mind :D


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Jan 14 16:01:45 2005
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:01:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] test
Message-ID: <3780.66.2.44.120.1105736505.squirrel@66.2.44.120>

test


From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Jan 14 16:04:40 2005
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:04:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] test
Message-ID: <3783.66.2.44.120.1105736680.squirrel@66.2.44.120>

test


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Fri Jan 14 16:05:02 2005
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:05:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] test
In-Reply-To: <3780.66.2.44.120.1105736505.squirrel@66.2.44.120>
References: <3780.66.2.44.120.1105736505.squirrel@66.2.44.120>
Message-ID: <F5163011-666F-11D9-8482-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

delete

On Jan 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Peter Lehrer wrote:

> test



From jlacey at att.net  Fri Jan 14 16:06:11 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:06:11 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050114123317d17dd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>	<20050114190512.GA15013@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>	<8d9a4280050114110923353aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a4280050114123317d17dd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E83443.5000701@att.net>

Joseph Crawford wrote:
> a heads up for anyone looking to do flow charts on linux, RoboChart is
> horrible compared to Kivio which is part of kOffice. the ui in Kivio
> blows my mind :D
> 
> 


you might check out DIA as well... it's gtk+ based and GPL'd, it'll run 
on quite a few platforms.

http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/

John



From zaunere at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 16:22:06 2005
From: zaunere at gmail.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:22:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] test
In-Reply-To: <3783.66.2.44.120.1105736680.squirrel@66.2.44.120>
Message-ID: <41e83808.34a1a4a4.66b5.00cb@smtp.gmail.com>


Please don't send excessive test messages to the lists.

Thank you,

H



> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:05 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] test
> 
> test
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org



From faber at linuxnj.com  Fri Jan 14 20:20:40 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:20:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need MS web developer
Message-ID: <20050115012040.GA25896@uranus.faber.nom>

This is probably OT for this group; if so, I apologize upfront.

A client of mine has a website that runs on IIS using (I think) ASP and
COM (or what ever MS is pushing this week).  The site was originally
outsourced overseas and now they need some changes made.  

This is NOT a full-time position and consulting on web development has
to be your day job.  The client is in Fairfield, NJ. 

If you're interested, please contact me off-list.

-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
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From prusak at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 21:16:24 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:16:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>

As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some light on this behavior?
It caused me a good amount of hair pulling until I realized what mysql
was doing.

Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?
I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but obviously it does.

mysql> explain select count(rev_id) from review where rev_id > 10000;
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+-------------------------+
| table  | type  | possible_keys | key     | key_len | ref  | rows  |
Extra                   |
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+-------------------------+
| review | range | PRIMARY       | PRIMARY |       4 | NULL | 30608 |
where used; Using index |
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+-------------------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> explain select count(rev_title) from review where rev_id > 10000;  
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| table  | type | possible_keys | key  | key_len | ref  | rows  | Extra      |
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| review | ALL  | PRIMARY       | NULL |    NULL | NULL | 43894 | where used |
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> desc review;
+----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+
| Field          | Type         | Null | Key | Default    | Extra          |
+----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+
| rev_id         | int(11)      |      | PRI | NULL       | auto_increment |
| rev_usr_id     | int(11)      |      | MUL | 0          |                |
| rev_gsy_id     | int(11)      |      | MUL | 0          |                |
| rev_text       | text         | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_status     | char(1)      | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_regdate    | date         |      | MUL | 0000-00-00 |                |
| rev_email      | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_title      | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_score      | int(11)      | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_from       | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_name       | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_show_name  | tinyint(4)   | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_show_email | tinyint(4)   | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| rev_notes      | text         | YES  |     | NULL       |                |
| help_yes       | int(11)      |      |     | 0          |                |
| help_no        | int(11)      |      |     | 0          |                |
+----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+
16 rows in set (0.00 sec)

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:53:11 +0530, Sajith A <sajith.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm
> wrong.. I would like to know
> whether there is any performance difference between. "SELECT count(*)
> FROM table" and "SELECT count(field) FROM table".
> _______________________________________________
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> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 21:17:40 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:17:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML Posts to other sites
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I have a client that is interested in making thier site use TeleMessage.

http://xml.telemessage.com/multialert/system_overview.html

Thier flowchart and docs look pretty basic and self explanatory
however i need to know can anyone here tell me (i'm drawing a blank
and they have no examples in php) how i would send the xml request to
thier servers....

they have VB examples that use the MSXML com object.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 21:22:20 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:22:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: XML Posts to other sites
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>

basically i need to submit the XML as an http form post automatically
without a user clicking a button.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From prusak at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 23:34:58 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:34:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: XML Posts to other sites
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb050114203472f5f0ae@mail.gmail.com>

curl ??


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:22:20 -0500, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> basically i need to submit the XML as an http form post automatically
> without a user clicking a button.
> 
> 
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 00:01:16 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:31:16 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: XML Posts to other sites
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef613e5d050114210126bc58a7@mail.gmail.com>

> basically i need to submit the XML as an http form post automatically
> without a user clicking a button.

Please see  http://php.net/stream
Example 2 might be of help to you.

---
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From faber at linuxnj.com  Sat Jan 15 00:09:15 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:09:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>

On 14/01/05 21:16 -0500, Ophir Prusak wrote:
> As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some light on this behavior?
> It caused me a good amount of hair pulling until I realized what mysql
> was doing.
> 
> Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?

I may be missing something here, but why would MySQL use the PK in the second
query?  You didn't ask it to. 

> I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but obviously it does.

Why would you think that? count doesn't care what column you use, but
the optimizer will use an index if it is available.  If an index is not
available, it uses the raw data (read: column).


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From prusak at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 00:11:22 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: XML Posts to other sites
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050114203472f5f0ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011418172b93f5fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a42800501141822c970d89@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114203472f5f0ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb05011421111fe387cb@mail.gmail.com>

i still think curl is easier :)
in fact, there is an example of exactly what you're trying to do.

See http://us4.php.net/manual/en/ref.curl.php
look at the user comment from "mmm at turkmenweb dot com"


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:34:58 -0500, Ophir Prusak <prusak at gmail.com> wrote:
> curl ??
> 
> 
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:22:20 -0500, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > basically i need to submit the XML as an http form post automatically
> > without a user clicking a button.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Crawford Jr.
> > Codebowl Solutions
> > codebowl at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk
> > Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
>


From prusak at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 00:23:43 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:23:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>

Both queries have the same where clause.
Since the where clause is using a column which DOES have an index, I
would think the parser would be smart enough to realize that in both
queries you'll get the same answer, so why not execute them both in
the fastest way possible (using the index)?

I'm not sure what you mean by "asking" mysql to use an index.

Ophir

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:09:15 -0500, Faber Fedor <faber at linuxnj.com> wrote:
> On 14/01/05 21:16 -0500, Ophir Prusak wrote:
> > As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some light on this behavior?
> > It caused me a good amount of hair pulling until I realized what mysql
> > was doing.
> >
> > Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?
> 
> I may be missing something here, but why would MySQL use the PK in the second
> query?  You didn't ask it to.
> 
> > I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but obviously it does.
> 
> Why would you think that? count doesn't care what column you use, but
> the optimizer will use an index if it is available.  If an index is not
> available, it uses the raw data (read: column).
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Faber
> 
> Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
> http://www.linuxnj.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From faber at linuxnj.com  Sat Jan 15 00:45:57 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:45:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>
	<f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>

On 15/01/05 00:23 -0500, Ophir Prusak wrote:
> Both queries have the same where clause.

That's what I missed.  I too would have expected the parser to execute
the WHERE clause before the SELECT clause.  

Is this another case where MySQL is nonstandard?


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From rajlist at rajshekhar.net  Sat Jan 15 00:58:24 2005
From: rajlist at rajshekhar.net (Raj Shekhar)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:28:24 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Flow Charts
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050114102933e91776@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E8B100.7040300@rajshekhar.net>

Joseph Crawford wrote:

> i just found RoboChart for linux which seems pretty good :D
> 

Xfig - comes with most linux distros but is not installed by default. 
Has support for doing flowcharts, logic diagrams, UML etc.  UI might 
turn you off if you are a KDE-type :-) . Has a good user guide/manual

-- 
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Sat Jan 15 01:15:01 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:15:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Gmail security issue - avoid Froogle for a while?
In-Reply-To: <20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>	<f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <26059-36055@sneakemail.com>

Looks like a Froogle link can grab your personal info and access to 
Google services data...

http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/01/13/serious-flaw-in-froogle-reveals-gmail-accounts/




From zaunere at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 02:41:47 2005
From: zaunere at gmail.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:41:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <41e8c945.23491c43.178c.0011@smtp.gmail.com>


> > Both queries have the same where clause.
> 
> That's what I missed.  I too would have expected the parser to execute
> the WHERE clause before the SELECT clause.
> 
> Is this another case where MySQL is nonstandard?

It is standard.  MyISAM has a special optimization that allows a COUNT(*) to
read the table definition directly, whereas most cases, this cannot hold
true.  For example, a row with a NULL in a COUNT(somecolumn)'d isn't
counted.  A WHERE or GROUP BY generally requires a real calculation to be
performed because the contents of each row cannot be assumed, and for InnoDB
tables, this can never be assumed because of multi-versioning.

See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/GROUP-BY-Functions.html


---
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President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Gmail: The 1gb spam catcher 





From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat Jan 15 12:22:00 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:22:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007701c4fb26$b90ef230$e98d3818@oberon1>

Ophir Prusak writes:

> Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?
> I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but 
> obviously it does.

In the first query, the MySQL optimizer recognizes that it can get 
everything it needs from the index -- and uses it.

Notice the difference between types: range vs. ALL

In the MySQL manual it says:
"The definition of a range condition for a single-part 
index is as follows: 

For both BTREE and HASH indexes, comparison of a key part with 
a constant value is a range condition when using the =, <=>, IN, 
IS NULL, or IS NOT NULL operators" 
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Range_access_single-part.html 

It would seem that the optimizer either got befuddled 
by bad statistics or it decided that using the index would require 
more seeks to read both the index and the table versus just 
reading 'all' of the table.

You could coerce the optimizer to go with range by adding 
a limit.

Try explaining "select count(rev_title) from review where 
rev_id > 10000 limit 30000"
(just for fun try explaining with a limit greater than the 
total number of rows in the table)

You might want to try benchmarking with and without 
the limit of 30000 -- to see if the optimizer 
made a good choice.
 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
> 
> 
> As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some 
> light on this behavior? It caused me a good amount of hair 
> pulling until I realized what mysql was doing.
> 
> 
> mysql> explain select count(rev_id) from review where rev_id > 10000;
> +--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-
> ------+-------------------------+
> | table  | type  | possible_keys | key     | key_len | ref  | rows  |
> Extra                   |
> +--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-
> ------+-------------------------+
> | review | range | PRIMARY       | PRIMARY |       4 | NULL | 30608 |
> where used; Using index |
> +--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-
> ------+-------------------------+
> 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
> 
> mysql> explain select count(rev_title) from review where 
> rev_id > 10000;
> +--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-----
> --+------------+
> | table  | type | possible_keys | key  | key_len | ref  | 
> rows  | Extra      |
> +--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-----
> --+------------+
> | review | ALL  | PRIMARY       | NULL |    NULL | NULL | 
> 43894 | where used |
> +--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-----
> --+------------+
> 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
> 
> mysql> desc review;
> +----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+---
> -------------+
> | Field          | Type         | Null | Key | Default    | 
> Extra          |
> +----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+---
> -------------+
> | rev_id         | int(11)      |      | PRI | NULL       | 
> auto_increment |
> | rev_usr_id     | int(11)      |      | MUL | 0          |   
>              |
> | rev_gsy_id     | int(11)      |      | MUL | 0          |   
>              |
> | rev_text       | text         | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_status     | char(1)      | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_regdate    | date         |      | MUL | 0000-00-00 |   
>              |
> | rev_email      | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_title      | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_score      | int(11)      | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_from       | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_name       | varchar(255) | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_show_name  | tinyint(4)   | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_show_email | tinyint(4)   | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | rev_notes      | text         | YES  |     | NULL       |   
>              |
> | help_yes       | int(11)      |      |     | 0          |   
>              |
> | help_no        | int(11)      |      |     | 0          |   
>              |
> +----------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+---
> -------------+
> 16 rows in set (0.00 sec)
> 
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:53:11 +0530, Sajith A 
> <sajith.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure whether i should post this here. Correct me if i'm 
> > wrong.. I would like to know whether there is any performance 
> > difference between. "SELECT count(*) FROM table" and "SELECT 
> > count(field) FROM table". 
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk
> > Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP) 
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP) 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



From mark at nostromo.net  Sat Jan 15 13:49:30 2005
From: mark at nostromo.net (Mark Horton)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:49:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E965BA.9080809@nostromo.net>

Ophir Prusak wrote:
> As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some light on this behavior?
> It caused me a good amount of hair pulling until I realized what mysql
> was doing.
> 
> Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?
> I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but obviously it does.

I think what many have said on this is accurate.  I wanted to further 
say that the short answer to your question is that if the optimizer 
detects it will scan more than 30% of the index tree then it may decide 
not to use the index at all and do a full table scan.  (According to the 
recent docs there are other variables taken into account, but I believe 
the 30% rule is a significant factor.)

You table has 43894 rows and your where clause indicates it will scan 
about 75% of the index tree, thus your second query does a full table scan.

However, the results of your first query can be wholly computed without 
touching the data at all, so it decides not to do a table scan.  You are 
fetching rev_id and using rev_id in the where clause, so it gets 
everything it needs from the index tree.  (It doesn't always work like 
this, but I believe it does for integer based indexes.)

Why would it decide to do a full table scan?  My guess is that it 
doesn't take into account that rev_id is an auto_increment column.  So 
it doesn't know that it can simply start at 10001 and work its way up 
using the index.  For all it knows your index could be a normal index 
with duplicates.  I believe this is related to cardinality.  IOW it 
decides it would be faster to only reference the data (1 disk seek) 
instead of the index tree then also fetch the data (possibly 2 disk 
seeks).

You can hand optimize the second query with 'force index' if you want. 
I've also read that you can use 'max_seeks_for_key' to manipulate some 
of the behavior, although I've never used it myself.

Mark


From prusak at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 17:01:36 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:01:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <41E965BA.9080809@nostromo.net>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41E965BA.9080809@nostromo.net>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb050115140113237572@mail.gmail.com>

thanx for the explanations everyone!

fyi, i did the following two queries which use the same columns but
return a different number of results. Indeed the %30 rule seems to be
the case.

mysql> explain select rev_regdate from review where rev_id > 30000;
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| table  | type  | possible_keys | key     | key_len | ref  | rows  |
Extra      |
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| review | range | PRIMARY       | PRIMARY |       4 | NULL | 11032 |
where used |
+--------+-------+---------------+---------+---------+------+-------+------------+
1 row in set (0.04 sec)

mysql> explain select rev_regdate from review where rev_id > 10000; 
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| table  | type | possible_keys | key  | key_len | ref  | rows  | Extra      |
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
| review | ALL  | PRIMARY       | NULL |    NULL | NULL | 43896 | where used |
+--------+------+---------------+------+---------+------+-------+------------+
1 row in set (0.01 sec)


On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:49:30 -0500, Mark Horton <mark at nostromo.net> wrote:
> Ophir Prusak wrote:
> > As long as we're on the subject, could someone shed some light on this behavior?
> > It caused me a good amount of hair pulling until I realized what mysql
> > was doing.
> >
> > Why doesn't MySQL use the primary key in the second query?
> > I would think that count doesn't care what column I use, but obviously it does.
> 
> I think what many have said on this is accurate.  I wanted to further
> say that the short answer to your question is that if the optimizer
> detects it will scan more than 30% of the index tree then it may decide
> not to use the index at all and do a full table scan.  (According to the
> recent docs there are other variables taken into account, but I believe
> the 30% rule is a significant factor.)
> 
> You table has 43894 rows and your where clause indicates it will scan
> about 75% of the index tree, thus your second query does a full table scan.
> 
> However, the results of your first query can be wholly computed without
> touching the data at all, so it decides not to do a table scan.  You are
> fetching rev_id and using rev_id in the where clause, so it gets
> everything it needs from the index tree.  (It doesn't always work like
> this, but I believe it does for integer based indexes.)
> 
> Why would it decide to do a full table scan?  My guess is that it
> doesn't take into account that rev_id is an auto_increment column.  So
> it doesn't know that it can simply start at 10001 and work its way up
> using the index.  For all it knows your index could be a normal index
> with duplicates.  I believe this is related to cardinality.  IOW it
> decides it would be faster to only reference the data (1 disk seek)
> instead of the index tree then also fetch the data (possibly 2 disk
> seeks).
> 
> You can hand optimize the second query with 'force index' if you want.
> I've also read that you can use 'max_seeks_for_key' to manipulate some
> of the behavior, although I've never used it myself.
> 
> Mark
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From leam at reuel.net  Sat Jan 15 21:46:44 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:46:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shopping Cart?
Message-ID: <20050116024644.GE2879@leitz>

While keeping in mind my relative lack of skill in programming, I may get a request to do a shopping cart. While I still have basic things to find out like the host operating system, etc, what are some other questions I should ask? I'd be more than happy to take an open source existing package and configure it for them.

If they have a unix system and there is an open-source package that meets their needs, what would you suggest as a charge for it? How many hours would you expect to spend on it? I'm inclined, as it's a friend of a friend, to be very easy on cost, especially as I'm not a great programmer and it'd take me more hours to make things work. Of course, it is a profitable company and they sell stuff I like, so I may just as for payment in kind.  :)

Anyway, sorry to ramble. I'm trying to figure this one out, grab it if its a good challenge and politely decline if it's not a good fit for them or I. Any wisdom you care to impart?

ciao!

leam



From smanes at magpie.com  Sat Jan 15 22:59:41 2005
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:59:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL doubt
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050115140113237572@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>	<41E965BA.9080809@nostromo.net>
	<f1dc81bb050115140113237572@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41E9E6AD.3070901@magpie.com>

Ophir Prusak wrote:
> thanx for the explanations everyone!
> 
> fyi, i did the following two queries which use the same columns but
> return a different number of results. Indeed the %30 rule seems to be
> the case.

If you recall, we had the same situation on Postgresql at Trafficmac 
with some of those mondo adserver queries which had gobs of duped 
indices.  That's why I built those summary tables.  I believe that most 
SQL engines are smart enough to see that a flat table scan may be faster 
than diving through an overpopulated index tree.


From keithjr at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 14:27:03 2005
From: keithjr at gmail.com (Keith Richardson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:27:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Gmail security issue - avoid Froogle for a
	while?
In-Reply-To: <26059-36055@sneakemail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>
	<f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom> <26059-36055@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <4e1a9bc0501171127152645fe@mail.gmail.com>

hmm link is down... do you have a recap of what it said?


On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:15:01 -0500, inforequest
<1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Looks like a Froogle link can grab your personal info and access to
> Google services data...
> 
> http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/01/13/serious-flaw-in-froogle-reveals-gmail-accounts/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Keith Richardson
keith at keithjr.net


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 17 14:43:12 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:43:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Gmail security issue - avoid Froogle for a
	while?
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0501171127152645fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>	<f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>	<20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>
	<26059-36055@sneakemail.com>
	<4e1a9bc0501171127152645fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11274-35931@sneakemail.com>

Keith Richardson keithjr-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>hmm link is down... do you have a recap of what it said?
>
>
>On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:15:01 -0500, inforequest
><1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Looks like a Froogle link can grab your personal info and access to
>>Google services data...
>>
>>http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/01/13/serious-flaw-in-froogle-reveals-gmail-accounts/
>>
>>
>>    
>>

I guess that means it is a legitimate threat ;-)

Until they fix it, avoid froogle.

It was an html exploit of a froogle security flaw, such that if you 
browsed Froogle and clicked on a malicious link, it could grab some of 
your google account info from froogle, and then use it to compromise 
other google services via your account data (including gmail).

Typical demonstration of the hazards of central sign on.

-=john andrews

PS: here's a copy from Yahoo's cache:


    1/13/2005


      Serious flaw in Froogle Reveals Gmail Accounts
      <http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/01/13/serious-flaw-in-froogle-reveals-gmail-accounts/>

Filed under:

    * Security
      <http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/category/security/>
    * Google
      <http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/category/google/>

? Aviran Mordo @ 4:24 pm

New security flaw in Google?s price comparison engine, Froogle 
<http://www.froogle.com>, was discovered by an Israeli hacker.

By embedding JavaScript in a URL pointing to Froogle, a hacker can gain 
access to the user?s Gmail <http://www.gmail.com>account. The JavaScript 
redirects the browser to a malicious web site, where the hacker can read 
the user?s cookie, which contains personal information, such as purchase 
history, user name and password for Google <http://www.google.com>services.

According to Nir Goldshlager, who discovered the flaw, even if the user 
chooses not to save the cookie, the hacker can still discover the user?s 
user name and password for other google services such as Google Alerts 
,Google Group because google stores a unique number per user that 
identifies the user is other google services, and the hacker will be 
able to read this identification number.

Source: Ynet (Hebrew) 
<http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3031962,00.html>


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      *Froogle security hole gives out Gmail account details*

      By embedding JavaScript in a URL pointing to Froogle, a hacker can
      gain access to the user?s Gmail account. The JavaScript redirects
      the browser to a malicious web site, where the hacker can read the
      user?s cookie, which contains perso

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   2.

      *Froogle Security Alert*
      Aviran Mordo is reporting a Serious flaw in Froogle Reveals Gmail
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      *Froogle flaw shows Gmail details*
      A security flaw in Google?s popular e-commerce application,
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      reported by Aviran Mordo in Serious flaw in Froogle Reveals G?

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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 17 14:48:29 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Gmail security issue - avoid Froogle for a
	while?
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0501171127152645fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef613e5d050113212361d723ec@mail.gmail.com>	<f1dc81bb050114181666c1ac0f@mail.gmail.com>	<20050115050915.GA26585@uranus.faber.nom>	<f1dc81bb0501142123f2a44fe@mail.gmail.com>	<20050115054557.GA26785@uranus.faber.nom>
	<26059-36055@sneakemail.com>
	<4e1a9bc0501171127152645fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10030-90126@sneakemail.com>

Keith Richardson keithjr-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>hmm link is down... do you have a recap of what it said?
>
>
>On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:15:01 -0500, inforequest
><1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Looks like a Froogle link can grab your personal info and access to
>>Google services data...
>>
>>http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2005/01/13/serious-flaw-in-froogle-reveals-gmail-accounts/
>>    
>>

For clarity, there are reports it has been fixed (unconfirmed byme).

The original report is here (in Hebrew)
http://www.ynet.co.il/NonReg/Ext/App/Billing/BillingRegistration/CdaRegBill_RegScreen1_SubsDetails/1,,,00.html?CG=US&HU=/articles/0,7340,L-3031962,00.html
A second flaw fixed by google on the same day (but not the same issue) 
is here:
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,98920,00.html
The slashdot coverage is here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/12/1655246

Since you are reading this via gmail, why doesn't google detect the 
context and insert a nice big banner ad that says "Froogle has been 
fixed! Gmail is safe! Be Happy!"... since they CAN.
(well, that's what I would do if I worked there)

-=john andrews






From rahmin at insite-out.com  Mon Jan 17 16:10:16 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:10:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] xml -> mysql. Navicat?
Message-ID: <200501172110.j0HLAGwN032708@webmail2.megamailservers.com>

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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 17 16:29:16 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:29:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>


I wonder if any of y'all care to opine about this:

If you were teaching an introductory PHP course (no previous programming
experience required) and you intended to cover some MySQL, would you teach
the "classic" procedural mysql_xxxx API, mysqli, PEAR::DB, or some
combination of the above?

I taught this class last semester and spent some time on mysql_xxx,
followed by PEAR::DB, but next time around I am tempted to require my
victims to run MySQL 4.1 and learn about mysqli.

Gratefully,

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel. If you have
hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Mon Jan 17 17:04:58 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:04:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <001101c4fce0$962a87a0$45896e41@ced>

Dave,
I have pointed several friends to your "free-offical/unoffical PHP Class",
So, are you planning on taking that 2004 course down?

-Edward
www.covenantdesign.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at davidmintz.org>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...


>
> I wonder if any of y'all care to opine about this:
>
> If you were teaching an introductory PHP course (no previous programming
> experience required) and you intended to cover some MySQL, would you teach
> the "classic" procedural mysql_xxxx API, mysqli, PEAR::DB, or some
> combination of the above?
>
> I taught this class last semester and spent some time on mysql_xxx,
> followed by PEAR::DB, but next time around I am tempted to require my
> victims to run MySQL 4.1 and learn about mysqli.
>
> Gratefully,
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> "Don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel. If you have
> hatred in your heart, let it out."
>
>    -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 17:08:19 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:08:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011714084c0b87d3@mail.gmail.com>

Depends on where you want your students to be at the end of the
course. Do you want them to be limited to writing native mysqli calls,
or have an understanding of how to use whatever database was
available?

If the course is on php development, then you should show them how to
write database independent code, and then show what the cons/pros are
of writing the apps with the native libraries instead.

I mean, it is easy to understand how to work with native libraries,
but the more abstract nuances of using classes is always better
explained in the flesh, no? Database abstraction is a perfect scenario
to illustrate the benefits of an OO-based approach.

-- Mitch


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 17 17:26:06 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:26:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <001101c4fce0$962a87a0$45896e41@ced>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<001101c4fce0$962a87a0$45896e41@ced>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171724200.78670@emra.pair.com>

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Edward wrote:

> Dave,
> I have pointed several friends to your "free-offical/unoffical PHP Class",
> So, are you planning on taking that 2004 course down?
>

Not exactly. I will keep it there but update the content. Glad you thought
someone would find it useful (-:

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 17 17:34:27 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:34:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <330532b605011714084c0b87d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<330532b605011714084c0b87d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171726160.78670@emra.pair.com>


Thanks Mitch, points well taken. My thinking was, this is PHP and MySQL is
immensely popular, so let's show them one native PHP MySQL API and let's
show them PEAR. There isn't time to get into both mysql_xxxx and
mysqli_xxx, so I have to choose one. The former is of course still widely
used, but the latter is the way of the future, or so I assume.

Of course, I try mightily to teach them principles, terminology and
self-teaching skills such as RTFM, so they should be reasonably prepared
to self-teach whatever we don't get into.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> Depends on where you want your students to be at the end of the
> course. Do you want them to be limited to writing native mysqli calls,
> or have an understanding of how to use whatever database was
> available?
>
> If the course is on php development, then you should show them how to
> write database independent code, and then show what the cons/pros are
> of writing the apps with the native libraries instead.
>
> I mean, it is easy to understand how to work with native libraries,
> but the more abstract nuances of using classes is always better
> explained in the flesh, no? Database abstraction is a perfect scenario
> to illustrate the benefits of an OO-based approach.
---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Mon Jan 17 18:37:32 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:37:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cURL login to Squirrelmail
In-Reply-To: <691D8258-5763-11D9-AD23-000A95BE04BE@geeksociety.com>
References: <691D8258-5763-11D9-AD23-000A95BE04BE@geeksociety.com>
Message-ID: <41EC4C3C.5050009@phpwerx.net>

Jeffrey Stevison wrote:
> I'm using the following to automatically login users to their web based  
> email from our intranet.  I get a message from the browser "Can't open  
> page blah because it could not load any data from this location"

I managed to get the cURL call to work in that it can successfully log 
in, however you can't just redirect the user this simply.

The problem is that sqmail remembers the user by setting cookies, if you 
log them in this way it can't set the required cookies and the user 
would be logged out again as soon as they clicked on anything.

The easiest way to make a 'my email' link is to use a hidden form which 
points to 'http://mysite/webmail/src/redirect.php'.

Something like this ought to do the trick:

<form action="http://mysite/webmail/src/redirect.php" method="POST">
   <input type="hidden" name="login_username" value="<?php print 
$_SESSION['Username'];?>" />
   <input type="hidden" name="secretkey" value="<?php print 
$_SESSION['Password'];?>" />
   <input type="hidden" name="js_autodetect_results" value="0" />
   <input type="hidden" name="just_logged_in" value="1" />

   <input type="submit" value="Login" />
</form>

If you really don't want to have the password on the page it may be 
possible to use the curl request to get the headers then parse out the 
cookies and set them on the user's machine, though this will most likely 
require that your script and the sqmail instance are on the same domain.

Dan

> I'm not sure if the problem is with my cURL code or squirrelmail.  Here  
> is the code:
> 
>     session_start();
> 
>     $ch = curl_init();
>     
>     curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL,"http://mysite/webmail/src/redirect.php");
>     curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);
>     curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS,  
> "login_username=".$_SESSION['Username']."&secretkey=".$_SESSION['Passwor 
> d']."&js_autodetect_results=0&just_logged_in=1");
>     curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION,1);
>     
>     curl_exec ($ch);
>     curl_close ($ch);
> 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.newyorkphp.org


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 17 19:14:23 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:14:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
Message-ID: <20818-04556@sneakemail.com>

Hmmm.. snce you asked...

You teach them PHP and then you get to the database concept. So you need to
step outside of PHP and show them MySql by itself (just show them.. that
means you do all the work, they don't need to know it all, but you show
them command line mysql like you were preparing for a dynamic website. All
MySQL.

Then you step out of MySql and *discuss* how PHP can integrate the database
with the website.... call on mysql for data, generate HTMl etc. Still no
PHP-mysql coding, just mysql commands and PHP coding.

Then, since this all makes great sense and they have seen the power of
MySql and understand how HP should be able to automate the crap out of that
commandline process, yu give them a real-world dose of coding mysql in php.
That's manual coding with num_rows and fetches and all. Sur eit's tedious
but it's didactic, and you're the one who chose to be a teacher ;-)

Once it is clear what a PITA this PHP-MySql thing is, suggest that other
dbms/file systems might be better suited. Take a peek at sql lite, php
itself  without a db/fs, and hopefully you've made the point that MySql is
nutritious. Maybe mention postgres as that other unwieldy open source one;
jst to be fair ;-)

Now at this point they see that databases are 1.) alot of work  2.) tedious
and repetitive and 3.) essential for many website projects. Your success
will depend on your ability to sow them the vision of a properly integrated
PHP/MySql system...CSS and all. Not always as easy as it sounds.

Only then would I go into PEAR:DB and abstraction. I would approach it via
the concept of abstraction. That way you get to start them on a path
towards writing their own MySql function libraries, since they "know" php.
Now quickly abandon that crazy idea, adopt PEAR based on it's claims and
Dan's evident genious and utmost confidence in it, demonstrate the
commitment required and the platform dependencies (maybe this will
introduce them to the idea of third-party dependencies?), and hopefully
nudge them conceptually towards the concept of interfaces and OOP.

Since it is a first course, this deeper stuff is meant to wet their
appetite -- PHP as advanced such that it really has conquered the practical
issues but the programmer needs to master the concepts in addition to
developing coding skillz. But all of that is not available to every PHP
programmer. 

As it gets deep, be sure to provide practical "but here's what we realy do"
examples. Don't be afraid of coding mysql queries for small projects; don't
get to deep into custom abstraction; don't be afraid of PEAR but understand
what you're getting into when you adopt it; understand how PHP addressed
the core issues with mysqli, available at your nearest $5/month hosting
company any century now; and of course emphasize how separation of data
management from coding from designing from information architecture **FROM
SEO REQUIREMENTS**  is so essnetial for anything larger than you local
church website.

Phew. Good luck!

-=john andrews

Original Message:
-----------------
From: David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal group use|
...
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:34:27 -0500 (EST)
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...



Thanks Mitch, points well taken. My thinking was, this is PHP and MySQL is
immensely popular, so let's show them one native PHP MySQL API and let's
show them PEAR. There isn't time to get into both mysql_xxxx and
mysqli_xxx, so I have to choose one. The former is of course still widely
used, but the latter is the way of the future, or so I assume.

Of course, I try mightily to teach them principles, terminology and
self-teaching skills such as RTFM, so they should be reasonably prepared
to self-teach whatever we don't get into.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> Depends on where you want your students to be at the end of the
> course. Do you want them to be limited to writing native mysqli calls,
> or have an understanding of how to use whatever database was
> available?
>
> If the course is on php development, then you should show them how to
> write database independent code, and then show what the cons/pros are
> of writing the apps with the native libraries instead.
>
> I mean, it is easy to understand how to work with native libraries,
> but the more abstract nuances of using classes is always better
> explained in the flesh, no? Database abstraction is a perfect scenario
> to illustrate the benefits of an OO-based approach.
---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org

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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon Jan 17 19:25:59 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:25:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SEO Search Engine optimization, Website optimization,
	PHP talk next week in NYC
Message-ID: <26469-24647@sneakemail.com>

I am locking down the outline of next weeks NYPHP meeting talk on SEO
considerations on LAMP (see htp://ww.nyphp.org for details).

I am now offering a "last call" to anyone who wants to suggest that some
particular topic get included, or question addressed. 

SEO(SEM, website optimization, ROI, marketing, or whatever you want to call
it today) is so broad and encompasses so much, we'll touch on a small
fraction. I have of course included my favorite topics, and the ones I
think can best highlight/demonstrate the opportunities for PHP.

If anyone would like to sugest anything please post or email to me and I'll
be sure and give it consideration. Also, if you have a website you would
not mind used as an example, send me the URL.

-=john andrews

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From jlacey at att.net  Mon Jan 17 21:00:02 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:00:02 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41EC6DA2.9050506@att.net>

David Mintz wrote:
> I wonder if any of y'all care to opine about this:
> 
> If you were teaching an introductory PHP course (no previous programming
> experience required) and you intended to cover some MySQL, would you teach
> the "classic" procedural mysql_xxxx API, mysqli, PEAR::DB, or some
> combination of the above?
> 
> I taught this class last semester and spent some time on mysql_xxx,
> followed by PEAR::DB, but next time around I am tempted to require my
> victims to run MySQL 4.1 and learn about mysqli.
> 

Since abstraction is "hiding" the classic procedural, meaning you have 
to ultimately talk to MySQL, or any database, with what it understands, 
I'd teach them both.  First, the classic, then the abstract (PEAR). 
Given the amount of time, I would cover PEAR::DB over against ADODB for 
the simple fact that there is a lot more happenin' in PEAR and they 
should be exposed to what it offers--besides DB abstraction.  Of course, 
it wouldn't hurt to provide an example of ADODB where they don't have to 
actually code and run it.

As to learning the syntax of basic SQL statements, I'd spend some time 
entering basic SQL commands using the MySQL command line client  (demo 
the MySQL GUI too!) before coding it in PHP.

That said, I would also make sure they learn mysqli.  If that sounds 
like a lot, it is.  I'm sure anyone who has taught (and learned!) 
programming appreciates the time that can be saved by providing 
partially coded examples (for a worksession) where they only have to 
complete a small percentage of the code.  After all, it's not a data 
entry or typing class.  You can provide complete examples as a part of 
the course documentation.  They need to walk away with a good 
representation of what they are actually going to run into "out there".

It pretty much boils down to how much time they have for *doing*.  I'd 
rather cover 70% of "the material" and have them feel comfortable with 
90-95% of it rather than trying for "100%" of the material and have them 
feel comfortable with 65-70%.  It's about building confidence as well as 
skills.  At the end of a class, I want them to say: "Wow, I really 
learned a lot!" and *not*  "The instructor was really knowledgable".

my $0.02 for what it's worth,
John



From prusak at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 22:11:17 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:11:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com>

I won't repeat what other people have already said (which are great
answers) but I do have another angle to throw in the mix.

Most people will, at some point, will be involved with code that they
didn't write.

When I teach PHP, apart from the goal of teaching students how to
create their own applications, I also try to give them the knowledge
needed to understand other people's code. Either at a workplace, or
reading the source of an open source package.

Ophir




On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:29:16 -0500 (EST), David Mintz
<dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if any of y'all care to opine about this:
> 
> If you were teaching an introductory PHP course (no previous programming
> experience required) and you intended to cover some MySQL, would you teach
> the "classic" procedural mysql_xxxx API, mysqli, PEAR::DB, or some
> combination of the above?
> 
> I taught this class last semester and spent some time on mysql_xxx,
> followed by PEAR::DB, but next time around I am tempted to require my
> victims to run MySQL 4.1 and learn about mysqli.
> 
> Gratefully,
> 
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> 
> "Don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel. If you have
> hatred in your heart, let it out."
> 
>   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From prusak at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 22:13:56 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:13:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SEO Search Engine optimization, Website optimization,
	PHP talk next week in NYC
In-Reply-To: <26469-24647@sneakemail.com>
References: <26469-24647@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb05011719137250c8c6@mail.gmail.com>

I know this isn't a PHP related issue, but I'd love to hear a little
about not over doing it. I know google will penalize you if it thinks
you're trying to "spam" it.


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:25:59 -0500, inforequest
<1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> I am locking down the outline of next weeks NYPHP meeting talk on SEO
> considerations on LAMP (see htp://ww.nyphp.org for details).
> 
> I am now offering a "last call" to anyone who wants to suggest that some
> particular topic get included, or question addressed.
> 
> SEO(SEM, website optimization, ROI, marketing, or whatever you want to call
> it today) is so broad and encompasses so much, we'll touch on a small
> fraction. I have of course included my favorite topics, and the ones I
> think can best highlight/demonstrate the opportunities for PHP.
> 
> If anyone would like to sugest anything please post or email to me and I'll
> be sure and give it consideration. Also, if you have a website you would
> not mind used as an example, send me the URL.
> 
> -=john andrews
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From jlacey at att.net  Mon Jan 17 23:13:46 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:13:46 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>

Ophir Prusak wrote:
> I won't repeat what other people have already said (which are great
> answers) but I do have another angle to throw in the mix.
> 
> Most people will, at some point, will be involved with code that they
> didn't write.
> 
> When I teach PHP, apart from the goal of teaching students how to
> create their own applications, I also try to give them the knowledge
> needed to understand other people's code. Either at a workplace, or
> reading the source of an open source package.
> 


well now, if you want to talk about how to create "the best learning 
vehicle", we could be travelling back and forth for days...

:)

J



From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 02:05:32 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:35:32 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
Message-ID: <ef613e5d05011723054a9e5616@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to add dynamic textboxes in a form. 
The javscript function to add the textbox is this 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
function addAttribute()
{
	count++;
	divA = document.getElementById('divAttribute');
	divA.innerHTML = divA.innerHTML + ".... <input type='text'
name='attributes[]' maxlength='200' size='35'> .....";

}
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Inside the form i have a block "<div id='divAttribute'></div>" whose
contents will change when i click a button which calls the function
addAttribute();

Now the function is working fine except that in firefox, innerHTML is
not giving the value i typed into the textboxes. So each time i add a
textbox, the values i typed into the previously added textboxes are
lost. This is happening in firefox only. In ie it is working fine.
When i tried to list the elements in firefox, i found that the
dynamically added textboxes are not appearing in the list.
Yet gmail's "Attach a file" is working fine in mozilla. wondering what
they are doing...
Has anyone encountered a similar problem before? 
Any thoughts/alternatives?

---------------------------------
s?j?th
http://apilgrim.info
sajith.ml[at]gmail.com


From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 18 02:14:10 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:14:10 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
Message-ID: <3834106.1106032450576.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Run javascript:  and see if it finds any errors.
Also when you enter informaton in the box, wy don't you
have a box pop up to display the values of the elements
you want to see.  It wll help you debug your code.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Sajith A <sajith.ml at gmail.com>
Sent: Jan 17, 2005 11:05 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox

I'm trying to add dynamic textboxes in a form. 
The javscript function to add the textbox is this 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
function addAttribute()
{
	count++;
	divA = document.getElementById('divAttribute');
	divA.innerHTML = divA.innerHTML + ".... <input type='text'
name='attributes[]' maxlength='200' size='35'> .....";

}
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Inside the form i have a block "<div id='divAttribute'></div>" whose
contents will change when i click a button which calls the function
addAttribute();

Now the function is working fine except that in firefox, innerHTML is
not giving the value i typed into the textboxes. So each time i add a
textbox, the values i typed into the previously added textboxes are
lost. This is happening in firefox only. In ie it is working fine.
When i tried to list the elements in firefox, i found that the
dynamically added textboxes are not appearing in the list.
Yet gmail's "Attach a file" is working fine in mozilla. wondering what
they are doing...
Has anyone encountered a similar problem before? 
Any thoughts/alternatives?

---------------------------------
s???j???th
http://apilgrim.info
sajith.ml[at]gmail.com
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org





From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 03:29:45 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:59:45 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
In-Reply-To: <3834106.1106032450576.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <3834106.1106032450576.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ef613e5d05011800294ffa812e@mail.gmail.com>

> Run javascript:  and see if it finds any errors.
> Also when you enter informaton in the box, wy don't you
> have a box pop up to display the values of the elements
> you want to see.  It wll help you debug your code.

It is not a matter of javascript error..Mozilla is not retaining with
values i typed into the textbox while taking innerHTML for the div.
However ie is retaining it. Thank you for your time.

Sajith A


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Jan 18 10:20:16 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:20:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d05011800294ffa812e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3834106.1106032450576.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
	<ef613e5d05011800294ffa812e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181018400.83371@emra.pair.com>



I predict that somebody will point out this thread really ought to be on
the front-end list

(-:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Sajith A wrote:

> > Run javascript:  and see if it finds any errors.
> > Also when you enter informaton in the box, wy don't you
> > have a box pop up to display the values of the elements
> > you want to see.  It wll help you debug your code.
>
> It is not a matter of javascript error..Mozilla is not retaining with
> values i typed into the textbox while taking innerHTML for the div.
> However ie is retaining it. Thank you for your time.
>
> Sajith A
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Jan 18 10:35:08 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:35:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com> <41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181020220.83371@emra.pair.com>


Gentlemen,

Thanks a million.

For brevity's sake I didn't go into the approaches and techniques that I
used last time, and it's reassuring to see that several things you advise
are exactly the things I do (e.g., when you get to MySQL, first teach
MySQL as MySQL independently, and then get into how PHP talks to MySQL).

Of course, I'm still not settled on the mysql(i) curriculum question that
brought me here, but what else is new?  With this as with so many other
questions, you gather information, then make your own decision;  there's
no one omniscient patriarch or omnipotent authority to tell you what to
do. (Hmm, good sermon to put into one of my lectures (-: )

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 10:41:43 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181020220.83371@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com> <41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181020220.83371@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011807416175fae@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:35:08 -0500 (EST), David Mintz
<dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> 
> Of course, I'm still not settled on the mysql(i) curriculum question that
> brought me here, but what else is new?  With this as with so many other
> questions, you gather information, then make your own decision;  there's
> no one omniscient patriarch or omnipotent authority to tell you what to
> do. (Hmm, good sermon to put into one of my lectures (-: )

That's exactly why database abstraction is a necessity - with PEAR's
DB or ADOdb it doesn't matter if you need mysql or mysqli (or any
other database)...

-- Mitch


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Tue Jan 18 10:41:48 2005
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:41:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com><f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181020220.83371@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4fd74$4652ed50$45896e41@ced>

Dave,
Interesting you would chose the word "sermon" :> hmmm. :P
-Edward
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at davidmintz.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...


> 
> Gentlemen,
> 
> Thanks a million.
> 
> For brevity's sake I didn't go into the approaches and techniques that I
> used last time, and it's reassuring to see that several things you advise
> are exactly the things I do (e.g., when you get to MySQL, first teach
> MySQL as MySQL independently, and then get into how PHP talks to MySQL).
> 
> Of course, I'm still not settled on the mysql(i) curriculum question that
> brought me here, but what else is new?  With this as with so many other
> questions, you gather information, then make your own decision;  there's
> no one omniscient patriarch or omnipotent authority to tell you what to
> do. (Hmm, good sermon to put into one of my lectures (-: )
> 
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> 
> "Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
> and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."
> 
>    -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Jan 18 11:01:31 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:01:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <330532b605011807416175fae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501171623210.75240@emra.pair.com>
	<f1dc81bb050117191176921c2c@mail.gmail.com> <41EC8CFA.50502@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181020220.83371@emra.pair.com>
	<330532b605011807416175fae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181058370.83371@emra.pair.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:35:08 -0500 (EST), David Mintz
> <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> >
> > Of course, I'm still not settled on the mysql(i) curriculum question that
> > brought me here, but what else is new?  With this as with so many other
> > questions, you gather information, then make your own decision;  there's
> > no one omniscient patriarch or omnipotent authority to tell you what to
> > do. (Hmm, good sermon to put into one of my lectures (-: )
>
> That's exactly why database abstraction is a necessity - with PEAR's
> DB or ADOdb it doesn't matter if you need mysql or mysqli (or any
> other database)...


PEAR is in there, absolutely. The only question is which if any native PHP
MySQL API to cover in addition.

--Mintz


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 12:28:53 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:28:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] PHP Email And GMail
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011809287cb6eb80@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

does gmail handle it's headers differently than other email services / clients?

I have setup a script that sends a contact form information as a very
basic HTML email, however in gmail it doesnt accept the headers,
instead it prints them as part of the message.  Yahoo on the other
hand it works perfect with.




Here is the source of the email according to GMail

X-Gmail-Received: 4ce33c49d6168d040d1878e9ecd7e0b4b77217f8
Delivered-To: codebowl at gmail.com
Received: by 10.38.78.7 with SMTP id a7cs11736rnb;
        Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:24:46 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.38.76.77 with SMTP id y77mr179306rna;
        Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:24:46 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <nobody at work.codebowl.com>
Received: from work.codebowl.com (69-173-187-56.sbtnvt.adelphia.net
[69.173.187.56])
        by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 63si154602rna.2005.01.18.09.24.44;
        Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:24:46 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 69.173.187.56 is neither permitted
nor denied by domain of nobody at work.codebowl.com)
Received: by work.codebowl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534)
	id 8D77F624312; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:23:57 -0500 (EST)
To: codebowl at gmail.com
Subject: New Contact Form Information
MIME-Version: 1.0



this is where the body seems to start, everything below here is in the
email body and not the headers.

Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

From: Hamilton Park <blah at blah.com>
Reply-To: blah at blah.com
Message-ID: <9b7ce5c8fef013fe13cac23be9dd766a at codebowl.homelinux.net>

X-Mailer: PHP/4.3.10

Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:23:57 -0500 (EST)





These are the headers according to yahoo mail

X-Apparently-To:	 codebowl at yahoo.com via 66.218.95.67; Tue, 18 Jan
2005 09:17:59 -0800
Authentication-Results:	mta107.mail.sc5.yahoo.com from=blah.com;
domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
X-Originating-IP:	[69.173.187.56]
Return-Path:	<nobody at work.codebowl.com>
Received:	from 69.173.187.56 (EHLO work.codebowl.com) (69.173.187.56)
by mta107.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:59
-0800
Received:	by work.codebowl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id
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To:	codebowl at yahoo.com
Subject:	New Contact Form Information
MIME-Version:	1.0
Content-type:	text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
From:	"Hamilton Park" <blah at blah.com>  Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
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-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 12:44:52 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:44:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: [OT] PHP Email And GMail
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005011809287cb6eb80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011809287cb6eb80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050118094430e620da@mail.gmail.com>

i should also note that for some odd reason they are not sent to the
email addresses such as jcrawford at codebowl.com, never shows up in my
inbox :(


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 12:47:13 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:47:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: [OT] PHP Email And GMail
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050118094430e620da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005011809287cb6eb80@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a4280050118094430e620da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011809471e2eee26@mail.gmail.com>

ere are the headers i am using from my PHP code

	$headers  = "MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n";
	$headers .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r\n";
	$headers .= "From: ".$org_name." <".$reply_email.">\r\n";
    $headers .= "Reply-To: ".$reply_email."\r\n";
    $headers .= "Message-ID:
<".md5(uniqid(time()))."@{$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']}>\r\n";
    $headers .= "X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510\r\n";
    $headers .= "X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441\r\n";


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 18 16:04:41 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:04:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181058370.83371@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>


> > That's exactly why database abstraction is a necessity - with PEAR's
> > DB or ADOdb it doesn't matter if you need mysql or mysqli (or any
> > other database)...

Yes, but you then don't get any of the benefit of a particular database's API.  Not to knock PEAR::DB, but it can't possibly be aware of each feature available in the various DB's.

> PEAR is in there, absolutely. The only question is which if any native PHP
> MySQL API to cover in addition.

Those who know me know I don't favor DB abstraction, so this will be biased, and frankly I don't know that much about PEAR::DB.  Can it support prepared statements?  Can it support cursors (server side)?  Can it support collation? etc...

While DB abstraction can be useful for simple apps, and is something worth learning about, large applications never use generic abstraction, since they are rarely deployed on multiple databases.

That said, abstraction within the application - that is, "custom" abstraction written specifically in the application, and for their database - can add a lot of value, since it can expose the needed features for that db/app combo.  Lastly, knowing how a database works, and thus how to talk to it in the most efficient manner, is central in a successful and scalable application.


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Gmail: The 1gb spam catcher 






From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue Jan 18 16:16:07 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:16:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
References: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
Message-ID: <30533-54803@sneakemail.com>

Hans Zaunere lists-at-zaunere.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>While DB abstraction can be useful for simple apps, and is something worth learning about, large applications never use generic abstraction, since they are rarely deployed on multiple databases.
>
>That said, abstraction within the application - that is, "custom" abstraction written specifically in the application, and for their database - can add a lot of value, since it can expose the needed features for that db/app combo.  Lastly, knowing how a database works, and thus how to talk to it in the most efficient manner, is central in a successful and scalable application.
>
>---
>Hans Zaunere
>President, Founder
>New York PHP
>http://www.nyphp.org
>  
>

Okay so let's be honest. How many real world applications have actually 
been scaled up without a rewrite of the database? C'mon... a show of 
hands would be nice.

-=cynic








From greg at click3x.com  Tue Jan 18 16:35:24 2005
From: greg at click3x.com (Greg Faber)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:35:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?
Message-ID: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>

Hello,

I need some advice to find out how much I should charge for this 
thing...

I created this simple content-management app for my boss. It allows him 
to create "extranets" for clients and then post stills, movie clips and 
other documents to the extranets so the clients can view and approve 
them. It's been online for about a year now and I've made some 
improvements to it, because of feedback I got from users. It's got all 
the standard login forms, user creation forms, etc. It was also the 
first real app I ever built in php.

Anyway, there's a number of clients who like this extranet thing and 
have asked me to build them one too. My question is this, how much 
should I charge?

Knowing that I "developed" it while I was at work (though web 
programming is NOT the core of my work, it was more like a side 
project). It really wouldn't require me to do much more programming, 
just setting up their DB, phpmyadmin, etc, change the look a little bit 
(color scheme and so on). Also, some of the interested parties are 
"production companies" who budgeted over 100 Grand for some TV 
commercials, but also there's some individual artists (editors, special 
fx artists) who asked me to build them one too. So how much should I 
charge for the company, and how much should I charge the individual?

thanks for your input,
Greg



From rahmin at insite-out.com  Tue Jan 18 16:54:22 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:54:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?
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From matt at jobsforge.com  Tue Jan 18 16:58:41 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:58:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <30533-54803@sneakemail.com>
References: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
	<30533-54803@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <1DAFBA42-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>


On Jan 18, 2005, at 4:16 PM, inforequest wrote:

> Okay so let's be honest. How many real world applications have  
> actually been scaled up without a rewrite of the database? C'mon... a  
> show of hands would be nice.
>
> -=cynic

That may be true, but if you are really big on PL/pgSQL, for instance ,  
migration to MySQL is going to be a lot more than recreating the DB  
tables and deciding how best a Postgres boolean will be represented in  
MySQL.

In fact, unless great care is taken in representing data types alone,  
(I think Daniel has a Power point about this somewhere), it's going to  
be as much work recreating the DB as it is porting the PHP code.

here's the presentation I mentioned up there:   
http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/presentations/portability/slides/ 
index.htm



From matt at jobsforge.com  Tue Jan 18 17:01:34 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:01:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <1DAFBA42-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
References: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
	<30533-54803@sneakemail.com>
	<1DAFBA42-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <84DA5976-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>


On Jan 18, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Matthew Terenzio wrote:

> n fact, unless great care is taken in representing data types alone, 
> (I think Daniel has a Power point about this somewhere), it's going to 
> be as much work recreating the DB as it is porting the PHP code.

Sorry about the Power Point line. It's a presentation. Kind of like 
kleenex or band aids, there.



From list at harveyk.com  Tue Jan 18 17:15:21 2005
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:15:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?
In-Reply-To: <200501182154.j0ILsMwN006972@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
References: <200501182154.j0ILsMwN006972@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050118170852.03aba678@mail.harveyk.com>


> >Knowing that I "developed" it while I was at work (though web
> >programming is NOT the core of my work, it was more like a side
> >project).
>
>You should look into who legally owns your work.  It may be the company 
>and not
>you the individual.

If you developed the code at work while "on the clock", it is not yours. 
It's a "work for hire" and the copyright belongs to your employer.

http://biz.findlaw.com/intellectual_property/source/faqs/faq292.html

"A copyright is owned by the artist who created the work, unless the artist 
sells the copyright or the work was "made for hire." Generally speaking, 
work made for hire is something that was created by an employee while on 
the job, or by an independent contractor who was hired to create the work. 
The copyright on work made for hire belongs to the employer or the party 
who commissioned the work.

An employee who writes an article, designs a web page, creates a computer 
program, or draws an illustration for a company publication is creating a 
work for hire. Even if the artist is not technically an employee, if a 
court determines an employment relationship exists between the artist and 
the employer, the artist will not own the copyright on his or her work. If 
an employee creates a work on his own time, it probably is not work for 
hire, even if the employee uses it on the job.

..."



From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 18 17:32:44 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:32:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] xml -> mysql. Navicat?
In-Reply-To: <200501172110.j0HLAGwN032708@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <20050118223257.7B861A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>


> I have about 1800 xml files I'd like to import to MySQL, but I seem to be coming
> up short on my googling.  Most roads lead to a product called Navicat, which
> looks MySQL-Frontish.  Has anyone used this?  Their demo looks decent enough.

I've used Navicat, although not for XML purposes.  It is a great product, and I've seen it recommended to customers for XML and MySQL.

> We don't need all the fields, and I do need to massage the data after the fact,
> but I was thinking of just doing a straight dump and managing all the content on
> the SQL side.  I have no problem writing a parser to only grab what I need, but
> it is a lot of content to go through, and phpMyAdmin 2.5.7 doesn't seem to have
> an XML import util.  We're using PHP 4.3.7.  Thoughts?

Yeah, phpMyAdmin is likely to fall short.  Depending on how much data it is, you could just load the whole dataset, and then manipulate it in SQL.  Other than that, Navicat should work well, or a quick PHP script to do it (maybe build a CLI version of PHP 5 just for this XML job?)


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Gmail: The 1gb spam catcher 






From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Jan 18 17:33:19 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:33:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <84DA5976-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
References: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
	<30533-54803@sneakemail.com>
	<1DAFBA42-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
	<84DA5976-699C-11D9-87B6-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <20050118223319.GA15132@panix.com>

Hey Matthew:

On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 05:01:34PM -0500, Matthew Terenzio wrote:
> 
> Sorry about the Power Point line. It's a presentation. Kind of like 
> kleenex or band aids, there.

I was going to say something about that accusation. :)  It's HTML.

Anyway, thanks for plugging the presentation.  I recently fixed the bug in 
it you mentioned.  Thanks.

See you,

--Dan

-- 
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue Jan 18 17:52:23 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:52:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?
Message-ID: <22564-84674@sneakemail.com>

Original Message:
-----------------
From: harvey list-at-harveyk.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|
...
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:15:21 -0500
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?

> >Knowing that I "developed" it while I was at work (though web
> >programming is NOT the core of my work, it was more like a side
> >project).
>
>You should look into who legally owns your work.  It may be the company 
>and not you the individual.

If you developed the code at work while "on the clock", it is not yours. 
 it's a "work for hire" and the copyright belongs to your employer.

http://biz.findlaw.com/intellectual_property/source/faqs/faq292.html
<<
==================================================================


the better question is... why do those other people want to use it?

1. They know how your company has been using it, so they are comfortable
choosing it as well.

2. They know you, and are choosing you to make it work for them, too.

3. They have considered all other options (commercial, free/os CMS, blogs,
groupware) and determined that yours is the best choice.

I would bet it is #1 and #2, in which case you should recognize it is YOU
that have value, and not your code. Ask your boss if he wants to be in the
business of providing web services like this. If he is, perhaps you'll lead
up a new division. If he is not, negotiate a deal where you are free (with
written permission) to do this, with this code, and with his clients, on
your own. Of course put the raw codd into that document, so that there is a
record of exactly what the code is that you worked on while on the clock.
later, wen yu re-write the whole thing from scratch without a single copied
line of code, this will be important.

If it really is #3, then figure out what it is that makes it so unique and
ask your boss to either a) pay to get a patent and/or file formal copyright
or b) give you a written statement that he does not want to purse
intellectual property ownership of it, and you can.

The idea that company time means company ownership is not absolute. In many
cases the company has to either pursue it or drop it. Of course the hard
part is when they know this and they file just enough paper to retain the
rights but not enough to make it happen (big corps are already setup that
way). It doesn't sound like you are in that spot.

Of course I am not a lawyer and have never built a megablockbuster software
app or stewarded a dot com success or anything else for that matter, so
take this advice for the value of the bandwidth it was ransfered over 9the
first time).








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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue Jan 18 19:42:26 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:42:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
Message-ID: <24966-56666@sneakemail.com>

I thought this was very interesting, and might spark some ideas in this 
community
-=john



Data On The Fly - By Daniel Lyons - Forbes.com - January 18, 2004
http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/18/cz_dl_0118streambase.html

NEW YORK - Relational databases are great, but not for everything, 
*Michael Stonebraker* says.

He should know. The former computer science professor at University of 
California, Berkeley is a bit of a legend in the database world, having 
created two well-known relational database systems, Ingres and Postgres. 
Ingres, the company Stonebraker founded, is now part of *Computer 
Associates International* (nyse: CA 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=CA> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=CA> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=CA>). 
Stonebraker also founded *Illustra*, a database company that was 
acquired by *Informix*, which later was acquired by *IBM* (nyse: IBM 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=IBM> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=IBM> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=IBM>). 


Now Stonebraker has launched a new database software company to tackle 
one of the toughest jobs in computing--analyzing huge amounts of 
streaming data on the fly.

It is a job Stonebraker says ordinary database programs made by IBM, 
*Microsoft* (nasdaq: MSFT 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=MSFT> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=MSFT> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=MSFT>) 
and *Oracle* (nasdaq: ORCL 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=ORCL> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=ORCL> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=ORCL>) 
simply cannot handle.

"Relational databases are one to two orders of magnitude too slow," says 
Stonebraker, who is chief technology officer at Streambase, a 25-person 
outfit based in Lexington, Mass. "Big customers have already tried to 
use relational databases for streaming data and dismissed them. Those 
products are non-starters in this market."

In a recent pilot program, Streambase was able to analyze 140,000 
messages per second, while a leading relational database--Stonebraker 
won't say which one--could handle only 900 messages per second. 
Streambase has 12 customers now testing its software, all of them 
financial services companies that need to analyze rapid-fire ticker 
feeds and other streaming data.

Stonebraker calls his product a stream processing engine. On top of that 
engine, customers write applications to handle specific tasks, using a 
version of Structured Query Language that traditional database programs 
use. Streambase's version is called StreamSQL and is designed to handle 
data on the fly.

Unlike traditional database programs, Streambase analyzes data without 
storing it to disk, performing queries on data as it flows. Traditional 
systems bog down because they first store data on hard drives or in main 
memory and then query it, Stonebraker says.

The company's approach to making sales is pretty simple: "We ask big 
customers to point us to their hardest problems. Then we say go home and 
write the application on our own nickel and come back in a week with it 
running," Stonebraker says.

Streambase grew out of research conducted in computer science 
departments at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where 
Stonebraker has been teaching, as well as Brown University and Brandeis 
University. The three universities hold equity stakes in Streambase, 
alongside venture backers Bessemer Venture Partners and Highland Capital 
Partners.

Streambase runs on industry standard servers running *Intel* (nasdaq: 
INTC 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=INTC> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=INTC> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=INTC>) 
microprocessors and the Linux operating system, and on *Sun 
Microsystems* (nasdaq: SUNW 
<http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompanyTearsheet.jhtml?tkr=SUNW> 
- news <http://www.forbes.com/markets/company_news.jhtml?ticker=SUNW> - 
people 
<http://www.forbes.com/peopletracker/results.jhtml?startRow=0&name=&ticker=SUNW>) 
servers running Solaris. A version that runs on Microsoft Windows will 
be available soon.

Streambase charges customers annual subscriptions for its software, 
setting prices based on how many CPUs a customer uses to power the 
software. Typical deals so far have ranged from $100,000 to $300,000 a 
year, says Barry Morris, Streambase's chief executive.

For now Streambase is focusing attention on financial services 
companies, which hope to do things like track how well traders are 
performing on a real-time basis, rather than aggregating trades at the 
end of the day and analyzing them overnight.


From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 19:58:00 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:58:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>

Very Interesting,

also very expensive *ouch*

i guess i really dont understand how this would work, i see it doesnt
store any data on a hard drive, but where does it store it? if it is
there for others to grab via stream it must be stored somewhere.  This
confuses me i guess :D

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From faber at linuxnj.com  Tue Jan 18 20:27:00 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:27:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119012700.GB23336@uranus.faber.nom>

On 18/01/05 19:42 -0500, inforequest wrote:
> I thought this was very interesting, and might spark some ideas in this 
> community
> -=john
> 
> 
> 
> Data On The Fly - By Daniel Lyons - Forbes.com - January 18, 2004
> http://www.forbes.com/2005/01/18/cz_dl_0118streambase.html
> 
> NEW YORK - Relational databases are great, but not for everything, 
> *Michael Stonebraker* says.
<snip>

I'm wondering if this is the guy whose lecture I attended about two
years ago over at Steven's?  The lecture was about a new relational
database technology and he had Chris Date opening up for him!

The interesting part was his basic premise: conceptually, data is stored
in rows and columns in tables. That is how the database designers thought of
it as well; when they stored the data on the hard drive, they wrote it in
rows and columns! This fellow pointed out that there was no need for
this and proceeded to show how things could be sped up with a different
data structure on the hard drive (something similar to a linked list,
IIRC).  It was one of those "DOH!" moments.  I immediately thought "Open
Source people could implement this with no problem!".  Too bad I don't
code at that level anymore.

He then went on to describe some other improvements he had made in the
design.  I had to leave, but my buddy said he then demonstrated how fast
things got and it got the whole room excited.


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 21:08:30 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:08:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181058370.83371@emra.pair.com>
	<20050118205956.9713699D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011818085824caf6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:04:41 -0500, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> 
> Those who know me know I don't favor DB abstraction, so this will be biased, and frankly I don't know that much about PEAR::DB.  Can it support prepared statements?  Can it support cursors (server side)?  Can it support collation? etc...

Sounds funny coming from a MySQL guy. (rimshot)

> While DB abstraction can be useful for simple apps, and is something worth learning about, large applications never use generic abstraction, since they are rarely deployed on multiple databases.

All I can tell you is that after working on sites that get 10 million
visitors daily, had I coded anything to a native API the whole thing
would have died a horrible death!  When you are really pushing the
limits, native APIs are what kill you, not save you - as you end up
worrying more about scaling and redundancy, where a more generic
communication-presentation-application-data layered approach will save
your bacon time after time. Something like:

  Load Balancers <=> Webservers <=> Application Servers <=> Databases

As a matter of fact, the biggest site I ever worked on ended up going
the java route, where database transparency was one of the main goals.
(Not my decision as I had moved on, but you get the point.)

If you implement an application that maxes out mysql's functionality
for example (mitchy bites tongue), you are then going to lose a lot of
effort if you decide to put SQL Relay in front of your database
servers. Ok, maybe not logical for MySQL, but for something like
Oracle (where OCI connections have lots of overhead) this progression
happens frequently, and apps end up getting partially rewritten in
order to decouple the logic from the database layer to accomodate the
connection pool...

> That said, abstraction within the application - that is, "custom" abstraction written specifically in the application, and for their database - can add a lot of value, since it can expose the needed features for that db/app combo.  Lastly, knowing how a database works, and thus how to talk to it in the most efficient manner, is central in a successful and scalable application.

The first sentence is dead on, and Mambo's database class is a good
example. Still native MySQL calls, but nice abstraction to make the
interface simple and predictable for 3rd party developers.

Knowing how databases work is *critical* to learning how to write
useful software, as poorly-designed applications are also difficult to
maintain, let alone scale.

Which does bring up a great debate - where do you draw the line
between portability and native functionality?  If you have PostgreSQL
or Oracle, then does it make sense to load up all of your DML into the
database as stored procedures, for example? I used to think that way,
but also was convinced at the time that there were limited options on
the database server side; and now that is just not the case, with
PostgreSQL and Firebird around (and yes, even MySQL is catching up
with 5.0)   ;-)

Ditto for the HTTP layer - do you write some apache modules for speed,
or just keep everything in available (and portable) environments such
as PHP/python/etc.?

-- Mitch


From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:49:57 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:19:57 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181018400.83371@emra.pair.com>
References: <3834106.1106032450576.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
	<ef613e5d05011800294ffa812e@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501181018400.83371@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <ef613e5d050118194967d45c14@mail.gmail.com>

> I predict that somebody will point out this thread really ought to be on
> the front-end list
Sorry for troubling you with this. It would be a great help to
pointout whether NYPHP has such a list.

Sajith


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 18 22:50:46 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:50:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamic Textbox
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d050118194967d45c14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119035056.D0B1EA85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>


> > I predict that somebody will point out this thread really ought to be on
> > the front-end list
> Sorry for troubling you with this. It would be a great help to
> pointout whether NYPHP has such a list.

http://www.nyphp.org/lists

H





From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue Jan 18 22:52:33 2005
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:52:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how much to charge?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050118170852.03aba678@mail.harveyk.com>
References: <200501182154.j0ILsMwN006972@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
	<6.2.0.14.0.20050118170852.03aba678@mail.harveyk.com>
Message-ID: <41EDD981.5020602@travelersdiary.com>

harvey wrote:

> 
>> >Knowing that I "developed" it while I was at work (though web
>> >programming is NOT the core of my work, it was more like a side
>> >project).
>>
>> You should look into who legally owns your work.  It may be the 
>> company and not
>> you the individual.
> 
> 
> If you developed the code at work while "on the clock", it is not yours. 
> It's a "work for hire" and the copyright belongs to your employer.
> 

Sounds like you could probably sell this really well, and if you 
developed the thing "at work", perhaps as you were developing your 
programming skills, it probably was not done as well as you could do it 
now. I'd suggest you map out just what you want it to do, rebuild 
(stronger, faster, better), and make it really pretty. Sell, retire a 
millionaire, etc.

Josh


From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue Jan 18 23:04:50 2005
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:04:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41EDDC62.1060504@travelersdiary.com>

Joseph Crawford wrote:

> Very Interesting,
> 
> also very expensive *ouch*
> 
> i guess i really dont understand how this would work, i see it doesnt
> store any data on a hard drive, but where does it store it? if it is
> there for others to grab via stream it must be stored somewhere.  This
> confuses me i guess :D
> 

Pure speculation, but could be in memory (RAM), which is increasingly 
interesting option as price of RAM goes down.

Josh


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 18 23:13:56 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:13:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <330532b605011818085824caf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>


> > Those who know me know I don't favor DB abstraction, so this will be biased, and
> frankly I don't know that much about PEAR::DB.  Can it support prepared statements?
> Can it support cursors (server side)?  Can it support collation? etc...
> 
> Sounds funny coming from a MySQL guy. (rimshot)

Hmm, not sure how to read that one :)

> > While DB abstraction can be useful for simple apps, and is something worth
> learning about, large applications never use generic abstraction, since they are
> rarely deployed on multiple databases.
> 
> All I can tell you is that after working on sites that get 10 million
> visitors daily, had I coded anything to a native API the whole thing
> would have died a horrible death!  When you are really pushing the
> limits, native APIs are what kill you, not save you - as you end up
> worrying more about scaling and redundancy, where a more generic
> communication-presentation-application-data layered approach will save
> your bacon time after time. Something like:

That's an interesting take, that is, adding code to enforce proper architecture.  I see what you're saying, but at the end of the day the more code something executes, the slower it'll be.  Now that's not to say a minor abstraction for proper replication handling, for example, isn't a good thing.

>   Load Balancers <=> Webservers <=> Application Servers <=> Databases
> 
> As a matter of fact, the biggest site I ever worked on ended up going
> the java route, where database transparency was one of the main goals.
> (Not my decision as I had moved on, but you get the point.)

Quite true, and frankly, Java kind of has the best of both worlds.  JDBC drivers are "abstractions" but written particularly for that database, ie, they expose the same interface but are native calls themselves.  It's a totally different layer of abstraction than, let's say, PEAR::DB.

> If you implement an application that maxes out mysql's functionality
> for example (mitchy bites tongue), you are then going to lose a lot of
> effort if you decide to put SQL Relay in front of your database
> servers. Ok, maybe not logical for MySQL, but for something like
> Oracle (where OCI connections have lots of overhead) this progression
> happens frequently, and apps end up getting partially rewritten in
> order to decouple the logic from the database layer to accomodate the
> connection pool...

Agreed, but this is most often and best done with application layer DB abstraction.  Per above, implementing fault tolerance with replication requires some layer of abstraction, but I wouldn't (and couldn't) do it with a generic abstraction.  Fault tolerance between, let's say, MySQL and Oracle, just wouldn't work with a generic abstraction that tries to cover PostgreSQL, MSSQL, SQL Lite, Access, Sybase, and TimesTen.

> > That said, abstraction within the application - that is, "custom" abstraction
> written specifically in the application, and for their database - can add a lot of
> value, since it can expose the needed features for that db/app combo.  Lastly,
> knowing how a database works, and thus how to talk to it in the most efficient
> manner, is central in a successful and scalable application.
> 
> The first sentence is dead on, and Mambo's database class is a good
> example. Still native MySQL calls, but nice abstraction to make the
> interface simple and predictable for 3rd party developers.

Agreed 100%; this is application layer database abstraction, not generic.

> Knowing how databases work is *critical* to learning how to write
> useful software, as poorly-designed applications are also difficult to
> maintain, let alone scale.
> 
> Which does bring up a great debate - where do you draw the line
> between portability and native functionality?  If you have PostgreSQL
> or Oracle, then does it make sense to load up all of your DML into the
> database as stored procedures, for example? I used to think that way,
> but also was convinced at the time that there were limited options on
> the database server side; and now that is just not the case, with
> PostgreSQL and Firebird around (and yes, even MySQL is catching up
> with 5.0)   ;-)

That actually brings up an excellent point.  Stored procedures are the ultimate in database abstraction, and frankly makes the most sense.  At the same time, companies are founded and make millions on porting stored procedure code, so in the end, portability is often a marketing term.  No database implements the same stored procedure language, and although SQL2003's PSM language is considered standard these days (which MySQL is implementing from scratch after learning the mistakes of everyone else), there's still a porting process to the standard.

DB abstraction can happen at various levels, and should.  But overly abstracting database access is often more of a hassle than advantage, especially as the complexity of the application increases.

And I smell the seeds of a presentation here :)


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Gmail: The 1gb spam catcher 




From prusak at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 01:02:05 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:02:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <41EDDC62.1060504@travelersdiary.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>
	<41EDDC62.1060504@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb050118220223a1a89e@mail.gmail.com>

Read the article folks :)

-- quote --
Streambase analyzes data without
storing it to disk, performing queries on data as it flows. Traditional
systems bog down because they first store data on hard drives or in main
memory and then query it,
-- end quote --

1. It isn't storing the data. period. it's just allowing you to query
it as it streams.
Think of a constant flow of stock market prices as a stream.
I'm guessing you can query something like:
Select * from stream where symbol = 'IBM' and price > 100;

2. this ISN'T a relational database. the title says "Relational
databases are great, but not for everything"

I think the term "database" is a bit misleading here, since most
people immediately think relational when they hear the term database.

Ophir 


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:04:50 -0500, Josh McCormack
<joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com> wrote:
> Joseph Crawford wrote:
> 
> > Very Interesting,
> >
> > also very expensive *ouch*
> >
> > i guess i really dont understand how this would work, i see it doesnt
> > store any data on a hard drive, but where does it store it? if it is
> > there for others to grab via stream it must be stored somewhere.  This
> > confuses me i guess :D
> >
> 
> Pure speculation, but could be in memory (RAM), which is increasingly
> interesting option as price of RAM goes down.
> 
> Josh
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 08:06:13 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:06:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <f1dc81bb050118220223a1a89e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>
	<41EDDC62.1060504@travelersdiary.com>
	<f1dc81bb050118220223a1a89e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050119050642a291a8@mail.gmail.com>

yes i understand it is streaming data, however even streaming data has
to be stored somehow, you cant just have data on the computer and not
stored anywhere :D

and if it is streaming what's to say you wont "miss" a quote by not
querying at as it is going through the stream?


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From sailer at bnl.gov  Wed Jan 19 08:47:03 2005
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:47:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050119050642a291a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<8d9a428005011816583e067c10@mail.gmail.com>
	<41EDDC62.1060504@travelersdiary.com>
	<f1dc81bb050118220223a1a89e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a4280050119050642a291a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119134702.GB422@bnl.gov>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 08:06:13AM -0500, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> yes i understand it is streaming data, however even streaming data has
> to be stored somehow, you cant just have data on the computer and not
> stored anywhere :D

Nope, not true. I have a central log server that just outputs to a pipe.
I have scripts that watch the pipe for certain info, and perform certain
acts, depending on what they see. I think this is sorta the same thing.

> and if it is streaming what's to say you wont "miss" a quote by not
> querying at as it is going through the stream?

I'm sure that a certain amount is in a read buffer...

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of CounterIntelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From fields at hedge.net  Wed Jan 19 09:39:04 2005
From: fields at hedge.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:39:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119143904.GH24310@lola.aquick.org>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:42:26PM -0500, inforequest wrote:
[...]
> "Relational databases are one to two orders of magnitude too slow," says 
> Stonebraker, who is chief technology officer at Streambase, a 25-person 
> outfit based in Lexington, Mass. "Big customers have already tried to 
> use relational databases for streaming data and dismissed them. Those 
> products are non-starters in this market."
[...]

This is not news. Relational databases are widely known to be slow,
which is why you have throw things like Oracle at the problem before
you get anything close to realtime analytics, and even they fall down
a lot. Relational databases, however, are mature and stable. This
doesn't sound like an alternative to a relational database, but a
complement - you still have to store the data somewhere.

I wonder if they've done speed comparisons vs. a relational database
that's entirely in memory (or properly tuned). Technique alteration is
one thing, but just saying "the whole thing's in RAM" isn't a
revolution.


-- 
				- Adam

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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed Jan 19 10:00:25 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:00:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> > [Mitch wrote ...]
> > As a matter of fact, the biggest site I ever worked on ended up going
> > the java route, where database transparency was one of the main goals.
> > (Not my decision as I had moved on, but you get the point.)
>
> Quite true, and frankly, Java kind of has the best of both worlds.
> JDBC drivers are "abstractions" but written particularly for that
> database, ie, they expose the same interface but are native calls
> themselves.  It's a totally different layer of abstraction than, let's
> say, PEAR::DB.
>

This may be a naive question, but, well... Do you suppose PEAR::DB is
written the way it is (rather than more like JDBC) because PHP 4 doesn't
support the notion of interfaces? I can imagine a PEAR::DB for PHP 5 whose
factory-style constructor returns a class that implements an interface.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed Jan 19 10:26:52 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:26:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
Message-ID: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>


David Mintz writes

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> > > [Mitch wrote ...]
> > > As a matter of fact, the biggest site I ever worked on ended up 
going
> > > the java route, where database transparency was one of the main 
goals.
> > > (Not my decision as I had moved on, but you get the point.)
> >
> > Quite true, and frankly, Java kind of has the best of both worlds.
> > JDBC drivers are "abstractions" but written particularly for that
> > database, ie, they expose the same interface but are native calls
> > themselves.  It's a totally different layer of abstraction than, 
let's
> > say, PEAR::DB.
> >
> 
> This may be a naive question, but, well... Do you suppose PEAR::DB is
> written the way it is (rather than more like JDBC) because PHP 4 
doesn't
> support the notion of interfaces? I

They are two different things. PEAR is a framework.
PEAR::DB provides a layer of abstraction which can 
mask the idiosynchracies of the underlying SQL syntax(es).

PEAR:DB has to fit in with the PEAR structure -- 
how it handles errors etc. (some of the framework, in my 
opinion, tries to make up for the deficiencies of the PHP 4 object 
model -- which may be what you said).

JDBC, on the other hand, provides a connection to a 
database with a subset of functionality.

So PEAR:DB can help to make SQL statements portable.

JDBC, on the other hand, makes the data itself portable 
by offering a lobotomized wersion of SQL to databases 
which support a JDBC connection.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed Jan 19 12:42:25 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
Message-ID: <41EE9C01.4060702@ceruleansky.com>

Hi all,

My take on using PEAR DB is as follows:

It is a good thing, because it not only helps make your application more 
portable between different database vendors (e.g. between MySQL and 
Oracle) but also between multiple database versions from the same 
database vendor (MySQL 3.x and 4.x vs. MySQL 4.1). What I mean is that 
if you are using the old MySQL client library in PHP (mysql_connect() ) 
with MySQL 3.x or MySQL 4.0, and then you upgrade to MySQL 4.1, your 
application will break. This is because to access MySQL 4.1 PHP needs 
the new MySQL client library (mysqli_connect() - note the extra 'i'). 
So, if you use PEAR DB, you can make migration of your PHP scripts 
between different versions of MySQL much easier.

- Jay


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:02:29 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:02:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <41EE9C01.4060702@ceruleansky.com>
References: <41EE9C01.4060702@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605011910022da12fa7@mail.gmail.com>

Agree wholly with Jay's sentiments. Beyond that, imagine that you are
writing software that you are going to give away (open source) or will
have multiple installations, maybe even become a commercial product.

One of the main reasons MySQL is so pervasive is that nobody wants to
support anything else, dare I say the MS Office of FOSS databases
(gasp!). FOSS is all about choice, and there are plenty of great
choices in the database arena...

Seriously, if you are writing a web-based app that you are going to
distribute, even commercially, you would be insane to tie it directly
with any particluar database's API. Why would you force someone to use
a database when it is so easy to let them decide for themselves?

And this is not an anti-MySQL rant, I'd be just as peeved if all the
sudden everything on sourceforge required PostgreSQL, Firebird or any
other database.

Sure, if you are writing a proprietary application that will only have
one install, and will be deployed such that every minute API call
could make or break performance, then the native API is the only way
to go. But that is the only scenario where I have seen such
justification, and also do not agree with that architectural strategy.

-- Mitch, feeling like a rebellious borg ;-)

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:42:25 -0500, Jayesh Sheth
<jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My take on using PEAR DB is as follows:
> 
> It is a good thing, because it not only helps make your application more
> portable between different database vendors (e.g. between MySQL and
> Oracle) but also between multiple database versions from the same
> database vendor (MySQL 3.x and 4.x vs. MySQL 4.1). What I mean is that
> if you are using the old MySQL client library in PHP (mysql_connect() )
> with MySQL 3.x or MySQL 4.0, and then you upgrade to MySQL 4.1, your
> application will break. This is because to access MySQL 4.1 PHP needs
> the new MySQL client library (mysqli_connect() - note the extra 'i').
> So, if you use PEAR DB, you can make migration of your PHP scripts
> between different versions of MySQL much easier.


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:17:37 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:17:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>
References: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>

i cannot really comment on this to tell you what you should do. 
However what i will do is tell you what would apeal to me from a
student perspective.

Everything i know i have taught myself, i have learned to use
phpmyadmin php etc..

I would like to see a course that would teach the basics of php, and
when time to go to mysql, focus on mysql for a while, talk about what
makes mysql stand out from the rest, teach them how to admin it from
the command line, then when all said and done show them phpmyadmin :D
and move on to more advanced php stuff.

command line is something i need to learn sometime soon lol and more
adv sql stuff.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Jan 19 13:23:50 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:23:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>
	<8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119182350.GA1242@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

The original email asked whether to go with mysql*() or mysqli*() 
functions.  I'd suggest mysqli*(), since that's where things are going and 
they're quite different.

Whether to teach that over PEAR DB, well, depends on what the class is 
about and what your goals are.  They both have their place.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:24:14 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:24:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <20050119143904.GH24310@lola.aquick.org>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<20050119143904.GH24310@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <504-19969@sneakemail.com>

Adam Fields fields-at-hedge.net |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:42:26PM -0500, inforequest wrote:
>[...]
>  
>
>>"Relational databases are one to two orders of magnitude too slow," says 
>>Stonebraker, who is chief technology officer at Streambase, a 25-person 
>>outfit based in Lexington, Mass. "Big customers have already tried to 
>>use relational databases for streaming data and dismissed them. Those 
>>products are non-starters in this market."
>>    
>>
>[...]
>
>This is not news. Relational databases are widely known to be slow,
>which is why you have throw things like Oracle at the problem before
>you get anything close to realtime analytics, and even they fall down
>a lot. Relational databases, however, are mature and stable. This
>doesn't sound like an alternative to a relational database, but a
>complement - you still have to store the data somewhere.
>
>I wonder if they've done speed comparisons vs. a relational database
>that's entirely in memory (or properly tuned). Technique alteration is
>one thing, but just saying "the whole thing's in RAM" isn't a
>revolution.
>
I think he was saying they are too slow for *this application* streaming 
data).

I posted this because it described querying data as it streams by, not 
because it is a replacement for the relational database. Sometimes we 
get caught up in the constraints of technology, and don't see innovation 
as easily as we might.

How many people are grabbing RSS feeds, storing them to a database, 
querying them, and using the results of the queries? And of those cases, 
how many consider old data worth saving?

For example, what if Feedster was querying a massive aggregate RSS 
stream instead of a database? What if the results where then streamed to 
another site, which displayed tag-based trending of that result set? 
What if......

I like stuff that makes you think outside the box... while at one 
company someone is parsing and sorting and categorizing and his team is 
optimizing databases, balancing servers and scaling and the company is 
utilizing the result set for ecommerce, while at a competitor someone is 
processing the stream and utilizing it for ecommerce. Faster to 
conversion, faster to maximizing ROI, more flexible, less overhead.

How many cpu cycles and GB of storage are dedicated to log file/log 
analysis these days, just to produce periodic traffic summaries? I know 
many people have gone to work on inserting rdb's so they could better 
manage that process... only to run itnto massive scaling issues. If only 
they could process the stream?

-=john andrews









From sailer at bnl.gov  Wed Jan 19 13:41:26 2005
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:41:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] of interest - new form of database programming
In-Reply-To: <504-19969@sneakemail.com>
References: <DCDD52CA-6998-11D9-A617-0050E4D91728@click3x.com>
	<24966-56666@sneakemail.com>
	<20050119143904.GH24310@lola.aquick.org> <504-19969@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20050119184126.GB7819@bnl.gov>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 01:24:14PM -0500, inforequest wrote:
> How many cpu cycles and GB of storage are dedicated to log file/log 
> analysis these days, just to produce periodic traffic summaries? I know 
> many people have gone to work on inserting rdb's so they could better 
> manage that process... only to run itnto massive scaling issues. If only 
> they could process the stream?

We do things like this, and Flow data munging. On an OC-48, that's a LOT of
data. We have a telecon/webinar scheduled with them for tomorrow PM. It
should be interesting.

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of CounterIntelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:56:07 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:56:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>
	<8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d150501191056754d55a0@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.  Although I don't know all that much, everything I do know
I've taught myself.  I think one of my main disadvantages is that I
don't know all of the basics that someone from a structured class
might learn, and therefore progressing to advanced topics might be
more difficult for me.


On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:17:37 -0500, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> i cannot really comment on this to tell you what you should do.
> However what i will do is tell you what would apeal to me from a
> student perspective.
> 
> Everything i know i have taught myself, i have learned to use
> phpmyadmin php etc..
> 
> I would like to see a course that would teach the basics of php, and
> when time to go to mysql, focus on mysql for a while, talk about what
> makes mysql stand out from the rest, teach them how to admin it from
> the command line, then when all said and done show them phpmyadmin :D
> and move on to more advanced php stuff.
> 
> command line is something i need to learn sometime soon lol and more
> adv sql stuff.
> 
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Brian O'Connor


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed Jan 19 15:42:41 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:42:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <20050119182350.GA1242@panix.com>
References: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>
	<8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050119182350.GA1242@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501191532160.70274@emra.pair.com>



On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Daniel Convissor wrote:

> Hey Folks:
>
> The original email asked whether to go with mysql*() or mysqli*()
> functions.  I'd suggest mysqli*(), since that's where things are going and
> they're quite different.

Thanks. I have been thinking the same way. Teach with a view towards the
future -- if need be, they will be able to teach themselves "classic"
mysql*() easily enough by the time I get done with them.

> Whether to teach that over PEAR DB, well, depends on what the class is
> about and what your goals are.  They both have their place.

Hear hear. The goal is to provide a solid PHP foundation and overview of
what's out there, and I think it's appropriate introduce them to some
PEAR, so why not DB. Last time we covered both mysql*() and PEAR::DB; this
time we'll cover mysqli and PEAR::DB.

Thanks again to all. It's been illuminating.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan 19 16:34:52 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:34:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] if you were teaching PHP...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501191532160.70274@emra.pair.com>
References: <200501191526.j0JFQqM07470@tgaconnect.com>	<8d9a42800501191017721bb204@mail.gmail.com>	<20050119182350.GA1242@panix.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501191532160.70274@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <29584-60331@sneakemail.com>

David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Hear hear. The goal is to provide a solid PHP foundation and overview of
>what's out there, and I think it's appropriate introduce them to some
>PEAR, so why not DB. Last time we covered both mysql*() and PEAR::DB; this
>time we'll cover mysqli and PEAR::DB.
>
>Thanks again to all. It's been illuminating.
>
>  
>
And now off you go to "pass the candle"   :-)




From stephen at musgrave.org  Wed Jan 19 19:05:12 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:05:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
Message-ID: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>

List -

I am having a problem with a content management system that I wrote 
running on a Speakeasy shared host.  I use session to store variables 
to maintain state such as the primary key ID for a content row I am 
updating.

For the most part, this works really well, but from time to time 
something goes wrong and it feels like the session gets wiped out or a 
formerly used primary key ID reappears into the session, overwriting 
the current primary key ID and causes me to overwrite that record in 
the database.

I haven't actually witnessed this occurrence, as it happens only about 
5 percent of the time, according to the person who is reporting it.

I think I have read somewhere in passing that if shared hosts are not 
setup properly, sessions from other virtual domains can conflict or 
that session is flaky altogether.

I have reason to suspect that the server isn't setup properly because 
when I use $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'], it points to a directory that is 
somewhere else in the file system.  Somebody told me that this is 
because they are cheating and using symbolic links.  I'm not a server 
guy and I haven't been able to get a straight answer from the hosting 
provider support staff.

I should note that this CMS has run on at least 5 other shared hosting 
environments and it has been a problem.

Thanks,

Stephen



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Jan 19 19:14:02 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:14:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
References: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <20050120001402.GA11010@panix.com>

Hi:

You didn't give a lot of relevant information, but let me guess.  
Consider changing session.save_path.  More importantly, carefully read the 
manual about sessions: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed Jan 19 19:25:21 2005
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:25:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>

On shared servers, I generally try to avoid using the server's global tmp
folder and instead use a 'local' one.

In your php.ini, htaccess or ini_set() you can do that with the following
vars:

# for file upload temp files
upload_tmp_dir = '/path/to/a/local/hidden/tmp/folder/'

# for sessions on your site
session.save_path = '/path/to/a/local/hidden/tmp/folder/'

On a few servers I've worked on you usually get access to a folder just
'above' the public_html folder:
/home/username/public_html/
/home/username/tmp/ <-- great place for a local tmp folder

And here's some info about setting those values properly:
http://education.nyphp.org/phundamentals/PH_ini.php?expiredate=2/16/2004

This is also more secure (as long as the shared host is jailed / sandboxed
somehow), as your sessions and upload temp files aren't sitting in some
shared folder that everyone on the server has access to.

On a side note, anyone here use pair.com?  I just ran into something very
disturbing on their shared servers that I'd like to tell you about off-list.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Musgrave
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:05 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
> 
> List -
> 
> I am having a problem with a content management system that I wrote
> running on a Speakeasy shared host.  I use session to store variables
> to maintain state such as the primary key ID for a content row I am
> updating.
> 
> For the most part, this works really well, but from time to time
> something goes wrong and it feels like the session gets wiped out or a
> formerly used primary key ID reappears into the session, overwriting
> the current primary key ID and causes me to overwrite that record in
> the database.
> 
> I haven't actually witnessed this occurrence, as it happens only about
> 5 percent of the time, according to the person who is reporting it.
> 
> I think I have read somewhere in passing that if shared hosts are not
> setup properly, sessions from other virtual domains can conflict or
> that session is flaky altogether.
> 
> I have reason to suspect that the server isn't setup properly because
> when I use $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'], it points to a directory that is
> somewhere else in the file system.  Somebody told me that this is
> because they are cheating and using symbolic links.  I'm not a server
> guy and I haven't been able to get a straight answer from the hosting
> provider support staff.
> 
> I should note that this CMS has run on at least 5 other shared hosting
> environments and it has been a problem.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stephen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org




From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu Jan 20 02:55:03 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:55:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
References: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>

Does speakeasy employ clustering or load balancing on their web servers?
If they run multiple machines (with your home directory NFS mounted), 
the sessions data could be written to /tmp on one machine and not the 
other. This would result in your session disappearing if you hit the 
"second" web server and also cause old data to reappear if you were to 
hit the "first"/original one again.  Using the MySQL sessions handler 
would prevent this problem.

~Rolan


Stephen Musgrave wrote:

> List -
>
>
> For the most part, this works really well, but from time to time 
> something goes wrong and it feels like the session gets wiped out or a 
> formerly used primary key ID reappears into the session, overwriting 
> the current primary key ID and causes me to overwrite that record in 
> the database.
>


From stephen at musgrave.org  Thu Jan 20 07:36:48 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:36:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>
References: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
	<41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <F3C7C8B5-6ADF-11D9-A105-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>

Well, the marketing text says, "Host your website on our professional, 
managed webcluster," but i'm not 100% sure that implies the technical 
architecture.

Thanks,

Stephen


On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:55 AM, Rolan Yang wrote:

> Does speakeasy employ clustering or load balancing on their web 
> servers?
> If they run multiple machines (with your home directory NFS mounted), 
> the sessions data could be written to /tmp on one machine and not the 
> other. This would result in your session disappearing if you hit the 
> "second" web server and also cause old data to reappear if you were to 
> hit the "first"/original one again.  Using the MySQL sessions handler 
> would prevent this problem.
>
> ~Rolan
>
>
> Stephen Musgrave wrote:
>
>> List -
>>
>>
>> For the most part, this works really well, but from time to time 
>> something goes wrong and it feels like the session gets wiped out or 
>> a formerly used primary key ID reappears into the session, 
>> overwriting the current primary key ID and causes me to overwrite 
>> that record in the database.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>



From stephen at musgrave.org  Thu Jan 20 10:25:47 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:25:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>
References: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
	<41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <8F39036D-6AF7-11D9-A105-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>


I did a bit more research and it appears that my use of the simple PHP 
session with a clustered environment is a no-no unless using a local 
session directory.  Thanks for pushing me in the right direction.

On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:55 AM, Rolan Yang wrote:

> Does speakeasy employ clustering or load balancing on their web 
> servers?
> If they run multiple machines (with your home directory NFS mounted), 
> the sessions data could be written to /tmp on one machine and not the 
> other. This would result in your session disappearing if you hit the 
> "second" web server and also cause old data to reappear if you were to 
> hit the "first"/original one again.  Using the MySQL sessions handler 
> would prevent this problem.
>
> ~Rolan
>
>
> Stephen Musgrave wrote:
>
>> List -
>>
>>
>> For the most part, this works really well, but from time to time 
>> something goes wrong and it feels like the session gets wiped out or 
>> a formerly used primary key ID reappears into the session, 
>> overwriting the current primary key ID and causes me to overwrite 
>> that record in the database.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>



From alexchan.1976 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 11:02:46 2005
From: alexchan.1976 at gmail.com (Alex C)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:02:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Viewing a Past Presentation
Message-ID: <8f494f7605012008022257f7f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

I am trying to look at a past presentaton(Parsing, Validating and
Saving Data from Complex XML Streams ) .  I click on the link and i
get the following error. "Redirection limit for this URL exceeded.
Unable to load the Requested Page."  Is there a way of viewing the
presentation.

Thanks in advance,

Alex


From tom at supertom.com  Thu Jan 20 11:09:07 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:09:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Anyone know someone at Novell?
In-Reply-To: <8F39036D-6AF7-11D9-A105-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
References: <F49D6BA0-6A76-11D9-A0F2-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
	<41EF63D7.4080104@omnistep.com>
	<8F39036D-6AF7-11D9-A105-000D933C4BA8@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <41EFD7A3.8040303@supertom.com>

Way Off - Topic, but I'm sure someone here can help me.

Here on Long Island, there is an organization called LISTNET 
(http://www.listnet.org) which I am involved (in addition to LIPHP). We 
focus on the use of technology in business, and cater primarily to the 
business crowd. I am a co-chair of the "Linux in Business Special 
Interest Group", and would like to have someone from Novell come down 
and speak to our group.

Anyone have any contacts that could help me sift through the red tape?

Thanks for the help!

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 11:14:54 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and SQL Server 7
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050120081430c1c913@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

i am still struggling to get PHP to connect to a remote database.  I
am now using a windows host since connecting from linux was a true
pita.  However i still cannot get it to work properly.

this is the code i have that doesnt work at all, always says failed to respond


if($conn = mssql_connect($hostname,$username,$password)) {
 
 mssql_select_db($dbName) or die('cannot select db');
 $sql = "select id, bath_level from idxmls1 where mod_date_time
>'2005-1-1 00:00:00'";
 $res = mssql_query($sql, $conn) or die('query error');
 $data = mssql_fetch_array($res) or die('fetch error');
 
 echo '<pre>';
 print_r($data);
 echo '</pre>';
}
else
{
 die("DATABASE FAILED TO RESPOND.");
}

here is some example code that i found, it connects and starts
retrieving data however i am not sure how to use this type of COM and
could use some direction as to what to search for. I did a search for
ADO and i hadnt a clue what i was looking for lol.

$db = new COM("ADODB.Connection");
$dsn = "DRIVER={SQL Server};
SERVER=207.76.168.21;UID=******;PWD=******; DATABASE=******";
$db->Open($dsn);
$rs = $db->Execute("select * from idxmls1 where mod_date_time
>'2005-1-1 00:00:00'");

while (!$rs->EOF)
{
   echo $rs->Fields['column']->Value."<BR>";
   $rs->MoveNext();
}

when i use this i get a ton of errors like the following

Warning: main(): Invoke() failed: Exception occurred. Source:
ADODB.Fields Description: Item cannot be found in the collection
corresponding to the requested name or ordinal. in
C:\Domains\killingtonholidayrealestate.com\wwwroot\test.php on line 16

then it times out after 60 seconds of running.

any help would be appreciated

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu Jan 20 11:45:38 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:45:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>

Your post reminded me of an problem I have with shared hosts. Is there 
any way to hide/protect the mysql login/password from other users who 
may have shell access to the same machine? Since the php script 
permissions must be accessible to the web server, anyone could write a 
script which would load and display the source code of any other php 
script on the same machine.

~Rolan

Mark Armendariz wrote:

>On a side note, anyone here use pair.com?  I just ran into something very
>disturbing on their shared servers that I'd like to tell you about off-list.
>
>Mark
>  
>
>  
>


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 11:45:59 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:45:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: PHP and SQL Server 7
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050120081430c1c913@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050120081430c1c913@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800501200845e331852@mail.gmail.com>

i should also note i have tried adodb from pear's repository

http://killingtonholiday.accuwebhosting.biz/test.php

it wont even connect to the remote database using the ip,port and it
wont connect without the port either.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From lists at zaunere.com  Thu Jan 20 12:00:10 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:00:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Viewing a Past Presentation
In-Reply-To: <8f494f7605012008022257f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050120170030.253EAA86CD@virtu.nyphp.org>


> I am trying to look at a past presentaton(Parsing, Validating and
> Saving Data from Complex XML Streams ) .  I click on the link and i
> get the following error. "Redirection limit for this URL exceeded.
> Unable to load the Requested Page."  Is there a way of viewing the
> presentation.

Fixed, thanks for the report.

http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/pvsxml/


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org







From lists at zaunere.com  Thu Jan 20 12:23:19 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:23:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: [PECL-DEV] New PECL package MaxDB PHP
Message-ID: <20050120172329.46C63A85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>


Interesting news for those wanting to play with MaxDB.

H

> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:13 PM
> To: pecl-dev at lists.php.net
> Subject: [PECL-DEV] New PECL package MaxDB PHP
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I put a new PECL package into PHP CVS, the MaxDB PHP package.
> 
> MaxDB PHP allows access to MySQL MaxDB database servers using PHP. This
> package is compatible to MySQL's mysqli extension.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Thomas Simenec
> SAP Labs Berlin




From rahmin at insite-out.com  Thu Jan 20 12:36:27 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:36:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPLot: double dichotomy?
Message-ID: <200501201736.j0KHaRJt003044@webmail3.megamailservers.com>

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From prusak at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 13:01:47 2005
From: prusak at gmail.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:01:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPLot: double dichotomy?
In-Reply-To: <200501201736.j0KHaRJt003044@webmail3.megamailservers.com>
References: <200501201736.j0KHaRJt003044@webmail3.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <f1dc81bb05012010013a57bf5b@mail.gmail.com>

I know this doesn't help you with phplot, but I feel that you'll get
more bang for the buck with this solution that creates the graphs in
flash:

http://www.maani.us/charts/index.php?menu=Introduction

and they'll look SO much nicer :)


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:36:27 -0500, Rahmin Pavlovic
<rahmin at insite-out.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's hoping someone with more experience w/PHPLot than I can help out..
> 
> I'm trying to create a double-dichotomy chart, like this:
> http://insite-out.com/double_dichotomy.html
> 
> I can create the html table above from the database, so now I'm playing around
> with PHPLot to see if I can build a graph out of the data, but I'm having a hard
> time a) customizing the text labels on either axis (it's displaying the numerical
> values anyway) and b) setting lext labels on the y-axis at all, and c) getting
> the x-axis to appear on top.
> 
> I need to play around with the API a bit more, but even when I just use their
> example:
> 
> //Define the object
> $graph =& new PHPlot(300,250);
> 
> //Set titles
> $graph->SetTitle("Title\n\rSubtitle");
> $graph->SetXTitle('X data');
> $graph->SetYTitle('Y data');
> 
> //Define some data
> $example_data = array(
>     array('a',3,4,2),
>     array('b',5,'',1),  // here we have a missing data point, that's ok
>     array('c',7,2,6),
>     array('d',8,1,4),
>     array('e',2,4,6),
>     array('f',6,4,5),
>     array('g',7,2,3)
> );
> $graph->SetDataValues($example_data);
> 
> //Draw it
> $graph->DrawGraph();
> 
> I get numerical data visually interspersed with the text labels.  Doesn't come
> out the way they say it will.  Is there something I'm missing?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From rahmin at insite-out.com  Thu Jan 20 13:03:50 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:03:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPLot: double dichotomy?
Message-ID: <200501201803.j0KI3oJt007737@webmail3.megamailservers.com>

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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu Jan 20 15:16:26 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:16:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Session problem on virtual host?
In-Reply-To: <41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>
References: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201510340.71716@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:

> Your post reminded me of an problem I have with shared hosts. Is there
> any way to hide/protect the mysql login/password from other users who
> may have shell access to the same machine? Since the php script
> permissions must be accessible to the web server, anyone could write a
> script which would load and display the source code of any other php
> script on the same machine.

Here's one possible solution:

http://shiflett.org/articles/security-corner-mar2004

See the part about using Apache SetEnv directives. The only downside here
is that you need your sysadmin's cooperation but it's not an unreasonable
request imho.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From matt at jobsforge.com  Thu Jan 20 15:45:09 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:45:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Auth and cookies
Message-ID: <2C56A4E0-6B24-11D9-9501-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>

I t seems like the only way I can get PEAR Auth to use cookies is with 
session.use_only_cookies .
session.use_cookies was enabled but the URLs were being rewritten by 
default even though my client was accepting cookies.

Kind of vague, I know, but since everthing works fine when I toggle 
use_only_cookies, I find it strange.

Matt



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu Jan 20 16:15:30 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:15:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shared server security [Session problem on virtual
	host]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201510340.71716@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201510340.71716@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201609390.7789@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, David Mintz wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:
>
> > Your post reminded me of an problem I have with shared hosts. Is there
> > any way to hide/protect the mysql login/password from other users who
> > may have shell access to the same machine?

I forgot to mention another possible solution. Run in cgi mode under
php-cgiwrap, so your scripts run as you; then chmod your scripts to 600 so
others (such as 'nobody' and your fellow hosting customers) can't read
them.

HTH

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan 20 16:59:43 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:59:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shared server security [Session problem on virtual
	host]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201609390.7789@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>	<41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201510340.71716@emra.pair.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201609390.7789@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41F029CF.6040801@bitblit.net>

David Mintz wrote:

>
>
>I forgot to mention another possible solution. Run in cgi mode under
>php-cgiwrap, so your scripts run as you; then chmod your scripts to 600 so
>others (such as 'nobody' and your fellow hosting customers) can't read
>them.
>

suexec does this too.
The only problem is the performance hit with CGI (not sure if 
mod_fastcgi will help here).

On our new shared web server, for security, no customers have shell 
access ;-)

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 17:24:51 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:24:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Imaged In the DB
Message-ID: <8d9a428005012014245a5652da@mail.gmail.com>

i am retrieving records from a database where the images are stored in
the DB, when i retrieve them it says that $row['medium_photo'] is an
array, when i print_r it's all indexes of numbers, i guess my
questions is can anyone point me to a resource where i can learn about
taking this value and storing it as an image on the drive rather than
in the db.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 18:23:29 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:23:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Imaged In the DB
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005012014245a5652da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005012014245a5652da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005012015233b61332@mail.gmail.com>

I found an article about this on the net, but what confuses me is that
when i retrieve the medium_photo column from the database it is
returning an array, shouldnt plain binary data just be that, not an
array?

Is something happening in between communications or from MSSQL BLOB do
i need to do something to get the straight binary data?

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 21:07:29 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:07:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Imaged In the DB
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005012015233b61332@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005012014245a5652da@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a428005012015233b61332@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905012018072d56bc12@mail.gmail.com>

Joseph Crawford wrote:
> MSSQL BLOB 

... run screaming!!! It's the MSSQL BLOB!

(sorry, dock my karma for that)


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu Jan 20 21:10:01 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:10:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shared server security [Session problem on virtual
	host]
In-Reply-To: <41F029CF.6040801@bitblit.net>
References: <20050120002518.5BE6FA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<41EFE032.6090809@omnistep.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201510340.71716@emra.pair.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501201609390.7789@emra.pair.com>
	<41F029CF.6040801@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501202104180.30459@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> >I forgot to mention another possible solution. Run in cgi mode under
> >php-cgiwrap,[...]
>
> suexec does this too.
> The only problem is the performance hit with CGI (not sure if
> mod_fastcgi will help here).

This got me curious enough to look around, and I found something that
looks interesting:

   http://www.suphp.org/



---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 07:39:27 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:39:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Imaged In the DB
In-Reply-To: <b762526905012018072d56bc12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a428005012014245a5652da@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a428005012015233b61332@mail.gmail.com>
	<b762526905012018072d56bc12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005012104395a853e8b@mail.gmail.com>

lol csnyder

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com


From shiflett at php.net  Fri Jan 21 12:12:52 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:12:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Auth and cookies
In-Reply-To: <2C56A4E0-6B24-11D9-9501-0003938BDF32@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <20050121171252.60993.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com> wrote:
> It seems like the only way I can get PEAR Auth to use cookies
> is with session.use_only_cookies.

Disclaimer: I've never used PEAR::Auth.

> session.use_cookies was enabled but the URLs were being
> rewritten by default even though my client was accepting
> cookies.
> 
> Kind of vague, I know, but since everthing works fine when I
> toggle use_only_cookies, I find it strange.

(This seems to be related to sessions, not specifically to PEAR::Auth.)

As a guess, it sounds like you were only observing the first page, at
which time PHP cannot determine whether the user has enabled cookies. It
will rewrite all URLs to append the session identifier, and it will also
set a cookie. On the next page, it can determine whether cookies are
enabled (in which case it will no longer rewrite URLs) or disabled (in
which case it's a good thing the session identifier was also propagated in
the URL).

If you use session.use_only_cookies, you're basically saying that it's
fine for a user who does not enable cookies to lose session, so PHP won't
bother with rewriting URLs, even on the first page.

This rewriting behavior depends upon session.use_trans_sid, which seems to
enabled.

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/

PHP Security - O'Reilly     HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
Coming Soon                 http://httphandbook.org/


From webmaster at jaymax.com  Sat Jan 22 02:38:52 2005
From: webmaster at jaymax.com (Joseph E. Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:38:52 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP.ini setup, config, installation & recognition?
Message-ID: <41F2030C.4010806@jaymax.com>

Hello,

I am setting up a program that requires allow_call_time_pass_reference to be enabled. I've set allow_call_time_pass_reference = ON in the /usr/local/etc/php.ini file

grep -n allow_call_time_pass_reference /usr/local/etc/php.ini
70: - allow_call_time_pass_reference = 1     [Code cleanliness]
167:allow_call_time_pass_reference = 1 

But the program still calls for the option to be enabled. So I have run a test file with the ini_get function, the code below.
------code-------
 <html>
     <head>
      <title>Test Page</title>
     </head>
     <body bgcolor=#FFFFFF text=#000000>
    <?php echo ini_get('allow_call_time_pass_reference'); ?>
    </body>
    </html>
----end code-----

Output page ==>  blank

/usr/local/etc/php.ini has permissions set to 444 and listed in phpinfo.php

Suggestions?

Thanks!



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat Jan 22 09:07:06 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:07:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP.ini setup, config, installation & recognition?
Message-ID: <200501221407.j0ME76d23554@tgaconnect.com>

Joseph E. Maxwell writes:
 
> I have run a test file with the ini_get function, the code below.
> ------code-------
>  <html>
>      <head>
>       <title>Test Page</title>
>      </head>
>      <body bgcolor=#FFFFFF text=#000000>
>     <?php echo ini_get('allow_call_time_pass_reference'); ?>
>     </body>
>     </html>
> ----end code-----
> 
> Output page ==>  blank
> 
> Suggestions?

try  <?php print php_sapi_name(); ?> 

(there's no .htaccess file and your script 
 has a .php or php4 extension -- right?) 

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From phil at bearingasset.com  Sun Jan 23 14:45:10 2005
From: phil at bearingasset.com (Phil Duffy)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:45:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Migration to XAMPP
Message-ID: <20050123194519.78A41A85FE@virtu.nyphp.org>

I currently have PHP/MySQL installed on the following platforms:

 

 ~ Windows XP Pro/IIS 5.1/PHP 5.03/MySQL 4.1.4-gamma

 

 ~ SuSE Linix 9.0/Apache 2.0/PHP 4.3.3/MySQL 4.0.15

 

 I would like to install XAMPP on both the Windows and Linux platforms 

 with these differences:

 

 ~ The Linux installation could be replaced if necessary.

 

 ~ I need to maintain the existing Windows installation, but create an 

 additional Apache/PHP/MySQL stack.

 

What software do I need to de-install before doing an XAMPP 

installation on both platforms?  Are there special considerations 

because I would be installing XAMPP on the Windows system in parallel with
the existing Windows/IIS/AMP stack?

 

Thank you for your help.

 

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From john at cyber-ny.com  Sun Jan 23 23:10:50 2005
From: john at cyber-ny.com (John Nunez)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:10:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP
In-Reply-To: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
References: <200501111916.j0BJGvwN006558@webmail2.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <EEB59E28-6DBD-11D9-86EC-000D93B7E95A@cyber-ny.com>

Hey Guys,

Maybe I am missing the question here but wouldn't the simplest solution 
be "session-set-save-handler".

Use this function and insert it as a include into each of your pages 
before the session is started.  This will allow you to manage your 
sessions.  Therefore you can create the functions that will open and 
close a session.  On close you can easily write the time to the db.

See : http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.session-set-save-handler.php

Thanks,
John Nunez
Cyber-NY Interactive
212-475-2721
www.cyber-ny.com
john at cyber-ny.com


On Jan 11, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:06 , Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> sent:
>
>> Using PHP, is there a simple way to capture browser shutdown or a 
>> session
>> termination event, so that a user's departure time from a site can be
>> captured when they don't use the formal Log Out button.
>>
>> I need to track user time logged into a site. I am using PHP sessions.
>> Currently, capturing the user Log In efforts and capturing the user 
>> Log Out
>> time when they hit Logout button.
>>
>> Any solution suggestions for capturing log out time of users who just 
>> close
>> the browser?
>>
>
> A possible solution would be log 'on-site' time by saving a timestamp 
> of every
> page view.  We do that in-part to prevent additional log-in's from the 
> same
> account during a given active timeframe.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Mon Jan 24 14:19:33 2005
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:19:33 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SuSE linux & unused swap space
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F17B91865@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


Greets all you fellow php'ers...

	If sys admins can answer this one it'd be great.  For last couple of
weeks
my development linux box has not been using it's swap space at all, EVER.
It's always
at "0K used"...I mean ALWAYS; even when new processes are spawned.
	Recently I was trying to write some PHP for CLI cron task and it
consistantly
caused a Seg fault.   My guess it's because PHP CLI script is denied the
memory it needs.
	I tried doing web searches for anything helpful, found nothing
useful .. so I thought
I'd give the list a try.

Here's a snapshot of top:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  4:35pm  up 3 days, 19:27,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
49 processes: 48 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  0.3% user,  0.0% system,  0.0% nice, 99.6% idle
Mem:   392668K av,  389284K used,    3384K free,       0K shrd,  275740K
buff
Swap:  136544K av,       0K used,  136544K free                   20832K
cached

-Ed



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From andrew at plexpod.com  Mon Jan 24 14:57:31 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:57:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SuSE linux & unused swap space
In-Reply-To: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F17B91865@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>
References: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F17B91865@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>
Message-ID: <20050124195725.GG7289@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:19:33PM -0700, Nunez, Eddy wrote:
> 
> Greets all you fellow php'ers...
> 
> 	If sys admins can answer this one it'd be great.  For last couple of
> weeks
> my development linux box has not been using it's swap space at all, EVER.
> It's always
> at "0K used"...I mean ALWAYS; even when new processes are spawned.

0K used is good :-)  That means someone spent enough $$ on RAM that
you're not swapping to slow disks.

> 	Recently I was trying to write some PHP for CLI cron task and it
> consistantly
> caused a Seg fault.   My guess it's because PHP CLI script is denied the
> memory it needs.

Mmm.. probably not, IMO.  Seg faults are from memory pointers going
beyond the bounds of the application's allocated memory space.  This is
usually due to buggy pointer arithmetic code, not the inability to
allocate memory.  In my experience, if memory isn't available, you get
an "out of memory" or "unable to allocate memory" error or something
along those lines, not a segfault.

> 	I tried doing web searches for anything helpful, found nothing
> useful .. so I thought
> I'd give the list a try.
> 
> Here's a snapshot of top:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>   4:35pm  up 3 days, 19:27,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 49 processes: 48 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states:  0.3% user,  0.0% system,  0.0% nice, 99.6% idle
> Mem:   392668K av,  389284K used,    3384K free,       0K shrd,  275740K
> buff
> Swap:  136544K av,       0K used,  136544K free                   20832K
> cached

Well, this tells us that you have something like 384MB of RAM, a little
bit is free and 275MB of it is allocated for buffers.  Oh, and no swap
used ;-). This is quite a typical snapshot profile of a healthy system
with a lot of RAM free.  The kernel typically sucks up all it can for
its buffers/cache.  This is made a bit more clear by the output of the
"vmstat" command.  The RAM allocated there will be given to newly
spawned processes or processes requesting more RAM on-the-fly.  No need
to worry I believe - you see to have plenty free.

I'd say your problem lies elsewhere.  Does it happen consistently in a
particular script?  Are you able to track it down to a particular line
or function?  Is this code using a non-standard PHP extension? Are you
using a hand-built PHP binary, pre-packaged RPM/deb/etc binary?

Hope that helps...
Andrew


From leam at reuel.net  Tue Jan 25 06:58:08 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:58:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
Message-ID: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz>

I'm looking at helping set up a web-site with a possible OSCommerce shopping cart. My parameters are Linux 2.4.25, MySql 4.0.22-Standard, Apache 1.3.33 and PHP 4.3.10. The possible CMS systems are Drupal, Mambo, PHP-Nuke, phpWCMS, PhpWebsite, PostNuke, Siteframe, and Xoops. 

The theory is that the site would be set up and then handed over to the client who is not a "computer person". Ease and simplicity would be helpful, and security as it's a small business. Any recommentations for or against?

ciao!

leam



From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Jan 25 10:58:22 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:58:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz>
Message-ID: <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>

leam at reuel.net wrote:

>I'm looking at helping set up a web-site with a possible OSCommerce shopping cart. My parameters are Linux 2.4.25, MySql 4.0.22-Standard, Apache 1.3.33 and PHP 4.3.10. The possible CMS systems are Drupal, Mambo, PHP-Nuke, phpWCMS, PhpWebsite, PostNuke, Siteframe, and Xoops. 
>
>The theory is that the site would be set up and then handed over to the client who is not a "computer person". Ease and simplicity would be helpful, and security as it's a small business. Any recommentations for or against?
>

Mambo comes with a ready built backend.

I have similar clients and Im using Mambo.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Tue Jan 25 11:39:54 2005
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:39:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <BDA21FEA-6EEF-11D9-A5FC-003065C1CBE0@thecolorgeek.com>

Any one have links to live Mambo Stores.  Have used OSC but it is a 
pain to modify page layout.  Thinking of using Mambo but would like to 
see some working examples.  If page layout is a little easier to manage 
I would consider it.  OSC is the devil I know at the moments so at 
least I know what I'm in for.

Paul
On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 10:58  AM, Ajai Khattri wrote:

> leam at reuel.net wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at helping set up a web-site with a possible OSCommerce 
>> shopping cart. My parameters are Linux 2.4.25, MySql 4.0.22-Standard, 
>> Apache 1.3.33 and PHP 4.3.10. The possible CMS systems are Drupal, 
>> Mambo, PHP-Nuke, phpWCMS, PhpWebsite, PostNuke, Siteframe, and Xoops.
>> The theory is that the site would be set up and then handed over to 
>> the client who is not a "computer person". Ease and simplicity would 
>> be helpful, and security as it's a small business. Any 
>> recommentations for or against?
>>
>
> Mambo comes with a ready built backend.
>
> I have similar clients and Im using Mambo.
>
> -- 
> Aj.
> Systems Administrator / Developer
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Jan 25 12:12:30 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:12:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <BDA21FEA-6EEF-11D9-A5FC-003065C1CBE0@thecolorgeek.com>
References: <BDA21FEA-6EEF-11D9-A5FC-003065C1CBE0@thecolorgeek.com>
Message-ID: <41F67DFE.6020107@bitblit.net>

The Geek wrote:

> Any one have links to live Mambo Stores.  Have used OSC but it is a 
> pain to modify page layout.  Thinking of using Mambo but would like to 
> see some working examples.  If page layout is a little easier to 
> manage I would consider it.  OSC is the devil I know at the moments so 
> at least I know what I'm in for. 

Here's a few sites that are using Mambo with the phpshop plugin:

http://www.buyinnovation.com/
http://www.bearcuboutfitters.com/
http://www.rlddetroit.com/
http://www.pepper-passion.com/
http://www.smokedamagedgoods.com/
http://www.sdsdigital.co.uk/

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From jlacey at att.net  Tue Jan 25 22:07:04 2005
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:07:04 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Migration to XAMPP
In-Reply-To: <20050123194519.78A41A85FE@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050123194519.78A41A85FE@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <41F70958.6040307@att.net>

Phil Duffy wrote:
> I currently have PHP/MySQL installed on the following platforms:
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ Windows XP Pro/IIS 5.1/PHP 5.03/MySQL 4.1.4-gamma
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ SuSE Linix 9.0/Apache 2.0/PHP 4.3.3/MySQL 4.0.15
> 
>  
> 
>  I would like to install XAMPP on both the Windows and Linux platforms
> 
>  with these differences:
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ The Linux installation could be replaced if necessary.
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ I need to maintain the existing Windows installation, but create an
> 
>  additional Apache/PHP/MySQL stack.
> 
>  
> 
> What software do I need to de-install before doing an XAMPP
> 
> installation on both platforms?  


First, I'm sure you already appreciate that XAMPP is not "production 
quality" security-wise.  It sounds like you may be using it for 
development from the above platform description, I'm guessing.


Are there special considerations

For Windows:
The nice thing about "installing" XAMPP, is that it's not really 
installed.  On windows, no registry entries are made and Apache and 
MySQL are only installed as services if you invoke the "installservice" 
bat files for each.  If you just use the "start..." bat files, Apache 
and MySQL are stopped when you close the corresponding DOS cmd windows, 
which must be left open while running XAMPP under these circumstances.

So, what that means is that you need to make sure you stop IIS and your 
MySQL 4.1.4-gamma when wanting to run the Apache and MySQL in XAMPP -- 
and vice versa.

If you want to save yourself some work, as well as having the latest 
MySQL, you might consider installing the normal windows MySQL 4.1.9 
(like the 4.1.4-gamma), and just not start the MySQL (4.1.8) packaged 
with XAMPP 1.4.11.  That way, MySQL will serve for both IIS/PHP and 
Apache/PHP and you won't have to start/stop that service.


For Linux:
XAMPP is installed in /opt/lampp.  So, as on windows, you have a 
completely separate AMP stack under XAMPP.  Once again, you just need to 
stop the "normal" Apache and MySQL daemons and start the XAMPP Apache 
and MySQL ones.
But you did indicate that you could just replace those with XAMPP, and 
that's what I'd recommend for a development platform.

HTH,
John




From leam at reuel.net  Wed Jan 26 05:55:24 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:55:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz> <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>

Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:58:22AM -0500, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> leam at reuel.net wrote:
> 
> >I'm looking at helping set up a web-site with a possible OSCommerce 
> >shopping cart. My parameters are Linux 2.4.25, MySql 4.0.22-Standard, 
> >Apache 1.3.33 and PHP 4.3.10. The possible CMS systems are Drupal, Mambo, 
> >PHP-Nuke, phpWCMS, PhpWebsite, PostNuke, Siteframe, and Xoops. 
> >The theory is that the site would be set up and then handed over to the 
> >client who is not a "computer person". Ease and simplicity would be 
> >helpful, and security as it's a small business. Any recommentations for or 
> >against?
> >
> 
> Mambo comes with a ready built backend.
> 
> I have similar clients and Im using Mambo.
> 
> -- 
> Aj.
> Systems Administrator / Developer


Hmm... server problems this morning. Took a wile to find the server, the test drive is down. Is that a regular thing for them?

ciao!

leam



From phil at bearingasset.com  Wed Jan 26 06:06:40 2005
From: phil at bearingasset.com (Phil Duffy)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:06:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Migration to XAMPP
In-Reply-To: <41F70958.6040307@att.net>
Message-ID: <20050126110642.BD0CAA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>

John,

Many thanks for your thorough response.  I feel a lot more confident about
proceeding.

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of John Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:07 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Migration to XAMPP

Phil Duffy wrote:
> I currently have PHP/MySQL installed on the following platforms:
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ Windows XP Pro/IIS 5.1/PHP 5.03/MySQL 4.1.4-gamma
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ SuSE Linix 9.0/Apache 2.0/PHP 4.3.3/MySQL 4.0.15
> 
>  
> 
>  I would like to install XAMPP on both the Windows and Linux platforms
> 
>  with these differences:
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ The Linux installation could be replaced if necessary.
> 
>  
> 
>  ~ I need to maintain the existing Windows installation, but create an
> 
>  additional Apache/PHP/MySQL stack.
> 
>  
> 
> What software do I need to de-install before doing an XAMPP
> 
> installation on both platforms?  


First, I'm sure you already appreciate that XAMPP is not "production 
quality" security-wise.  It sounds like you may be using it for 
development from the above platform description, I'm guessing.


Are there special considerations

For Windows:
The nice thing about "installing" XAMPP, is that it's not really 
installed.  On windows, no registry entries are made and Apache and 
MySQL are only installed as services if you invoke the "installservice" 
bat files for each.  If you just use the "start..." bat files, Apache 
and MySQL are stopped when you close the corresponding DOS cmd windows, 
which must be left open while running XAMPP under these circumstances.

So, what that means is that you need to make sure you stop IIS and your 
MySQL 4.1.4-gamma when wanting to run the Apache and MySQL in XAMPP -- 
and vice versa.

If you want to save yourself some work, as well as having the latest 
MySQL, you might consider installing the normal windows MySQL 4.1.9 
(like the 4.1.4-gamma), and just not start the MySQL (4.1.8) packaged 
with XAMPP 1.4.11.  That way, MySQL will serve for both IIS/PHP and 
Apache/PHP and you won't have to start/stop that service.


For Linux:
XAMPP is installed in /opt/lampp.  So, as on windows, you have a 
completely separate AMP stack under XAMPP.  Once again, you just need to 
stop the "normal" Apache and MySQL daemons and start the XAMPP Apache 
and MySQL ones.
But you did indicate that you could just replace those with XAMPP, and 
that's what I'd recommend for a development platform.

HTH,
John


_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org






From tom at supertom.com  Wed Jan 26 10:08:04 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:08:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
In-Reply-To: <20050121171252.60993.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050121171252.60993.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41F7B254.5010106@supertom.com>

Hey Folks,

I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall 
someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for 
their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and 
might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info 
about it?

Also, any comments about their support? Are you "on your own" after you 
buy the product, or is their support top notch? Any thoughts or opinions 
are greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org




From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Wed Jan 26 10:13:00 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:13:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D69F09@network.PLMresearch.com>

I think it's a great product.  I purchased the extended support - which is
conducted via email.  This can get a little frustrating give the time
differences (e.g. ~11 hours EST), but all in all has worked out ok.

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Melendez
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server


Hey Folks,

I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall 
someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for 
their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and 
might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info 
about it?

Also, any comments about their support? Are you "on your own" after you 
buy the product, or is their support top notch? Any thoughts or opinions 
are greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org


_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:19:12 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz> <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
Message-ID: <330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:55:24 -0500, leam at reuel.net <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hmm... server problems this morning. Took a wile to find the server, the test drive is down. Is that a regular thing for them?

Nope.  First we had a power supply fail, taking the hard drive with
it. Then the replacement power supply failed, again taking the power
supply with it. Now we are in the throes of getting FreeBSD to act
like all other server operating systems (which means allow more than
28 people to connect to the database at once).

* mitchy slaps forehead

For now you can get it at my site:

http://www.spacemonkeylabs.com/

And hopefully I can get the new bsd box cooperating today.

-- Mitch, thinking bsd makes gentoo look like MacOS :-/


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed Jan 26 10:33:26 2005
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:33:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D69F09@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <20050126153328.73F2AA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>

> I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall
> someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for
> their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and
> might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info
> about it?

As a beta tester you get a pretty good amount off the price (20%?).  they
just started a round of testing for ZDE 4, so you might be able to get in on
it.

> Also, any comments about their support? Are you "on your own" after you
> buy the product, or is their support top notch? Any thoughts or opinions
> are greatly appreciated!

I've had very good experience with their support, at least in the one
instance I truly needed it.  There were some shared servers the ftp of ZDE
wouldn't log into correctly.  It wouldn't show linked directories properly.
I gave the tech a login to recreate the error and within a couple days I had
a new build of ZDE 3 which fixed the problem.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Withington
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
> 
> I think it's a great product.  I purchased the extended support - which is
> conducted via email.  This can get a little frustrating give the time
> differences (e.g. ~11 hours EST), but all in all has worked out ok.
> 
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Tom Melendez
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:08 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
> 
> 
> Hey Folks,
> 
> I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall
> someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for
> their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and
> might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info
> about it?
> 
> Also, any comments about their support? Are you "on your own" after you
> buy the product, or is their support top notch? Any thoughts or opinions
> are greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
> www.liphp.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org




From rahmin at insite-out.com  Wed Jan 26 11:36:10 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:36:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ftp: error messages?
Message-ID: <200501261636.j0QGaAYP013614@webmail5.megamailservers.com>

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 12:28:19 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:28:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
Message-ID: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>

To solve a casual bet I made with HansK after John Andrews' excellent
SEO presentation last night...

It turns out that there IS an HTTP Status Code for redirection after
form processing. (Sir Tim thinks of everything, he's so dreamy...)

"303 See Other ... This method exists primarily to allow the output of
a POST-activated script to redirect the user agent to a selected
resource. The new URI is not a substitute reference for the originally
requested resource. The 303 response MUST NOT be cached..."
 -- http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.3.4

Bear in mind that browsers which only speak HTTP 1.0 won't know what
to do with it, but there it is.

<?php
  // process form
  ...
  // redirect to results page
  header( 'HTTP/1.1 303 See Other' );
  header( 'Location: result.html' );
  exit( 'Form submitted, <a href="result.html">continue</a>.' );
?>

Clicking refresh resubmits the get request for result.html, not the
original post request. (Same behavior as redirection with the default
302 status.) Anecdotal testing proves that it works in IE and Firefox.

   chris.


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Jan 26 12:40:53 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:40:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050126174053.GA19293@panix.com>

Hey Chris:

On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:28:19PM -0500, csnyder wrote:
> 
> <?php
>   // process form
>   ...
>   // redirect to results page
>   header( 'HTTP/1.1 303 See Other' );
>   header( 'Location: result.html' );
>   exit( 'Form submitted, <a href="result.html">continue</a>.' );
> ?>

Good point.  But some feedback here.  The optimail syntax is:

<?php
   // process form
   // ...
   // redirect to results page
   header('Status: 303 See Other' );
   header('Location: http://full_uri/result.html');
?>

Here's why...

Using "Status:" in the header is better because the resulting headers from 
Apache are more correct:
    HTTP/1.1 303 See Other
instead of
    HTTP/1.1 303

Additionally, one doesn't really know which version of HTTP is being used, 
so why potentially cause problems by trying to guess.

The specs say location headers must have a complete URI in them, not just 
the path.

Lastly, you don't want any output after the location header.

Later,

--Dan

-- 
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 12:59:38 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:59:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <20050126174053.GA19293@panix.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050126174053.GA19293@panix.com>
Message-ID: <b7625269050126095940f3b366@mail.gmail.com>

Daniel Convissor wrote:
> Lastly, you don't want any output after the location header.

Actually I do -- it's not harmful to have an entity attached to the
redirect response, and it covers the case of non-HTTP/1.1 browsers.

But good points on all other counts -- using header( 'Status: XXX' )
instead of header( 'HTTP/1.x XXX' ) is a great idea.


From Cbielanski at inta.org  Wed Jan 26 13:03:19 2005
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:03:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other
	"
Message-ID: <4DBE3775D77C744E9D1B9D06082E75D60AAB1E@intamail1.com>

You might want to make sure that your environment properly supports the
whole 300 series of messages. A few years back on a ColdFusion/IIS4 project
where we found that not all redirect messages are treated equally (or per
the letter of the RFC), sometimes at the server, sometimes at the browser.
Just FYI.

Thanks,
Chris Bielanski
Web Programmer, 
International Trademark Association,
1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
New York, NY 10036
+1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Jan 26 13:14:38 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:14:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz>
	<41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
	<330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41F7DE0E.30203@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>
>-- Mitch, thinking bsd makes gentoo look like MacOS :-/
>

What does that mean?
;-)

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From rajlist at rajshekhar.net  Wed Jan 26 13:15:59 2005
From: rajlist at rajshekhar.net (Raj Shekhar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:45:59 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ftp: error messages?
In-Reply-To: <200501261636.j0QGaAYP013614@webmail5.megamailservers.com>
References: <200501261636.j0QGaAYP013614@webmail5.megamailservers.com>
Message-ID: <41F7DE5F.30307@rajshekhar.net>

Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:
> Halo,
> 
> I have an ftp script that uploads a file to remote server once a day via cron. 
> The people who receive the file say it doesn't come through every now and then. 
> I send an email to our team if ftp_put() returns false, but I'm wondering if it's
> possible to capture error messages that explain why.  I can't seem to find anything.

Since you are running the script via cron, you should have a look at 
/var/log/messages to see what might have caused the problem around that 
time. Cron usually logs its actions to the messages file.

You can also put your error log in a file and then later inspect it. 
i.e. in your cron file, the command should be

YOUR_FTP_SCRIPT 2&> ERR_LOG_FILE


-- 
,-.___,-.  Raj Shekhar
\_/_ _\_/  System Administrator, programmer and  slacker
   )O_O(    home : http://rajshekhar.net
  { (_) }   blog : http://rajshekhar.net/blog/
   `-^-'    work : http://netphotograph.com


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Wed Jan 26 13:17:58 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:17:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com>

+1 Chris!  I owe you a cold adult beverage. 

John, do you have an opinion on this?

Hans

-- 
Hans C. Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



csnyder wrote:

>To solve a casual bet I made with HansK after John Andrews' excellent
>SEO presentation last night...
>
>It turns out that there IS an HTTP Status Code for redirection after
>form processing. (Sir Tim thinks of everything, he's so dreamy...)
>
>"303 See Other ... This method exists primarily to allow the output of
>a POST-activated script to redirect the user agent to a selected
>resource. The new URI is not a substitute reference for the originally
>requested resource. The 303 response MUST NOT be cached..."
> -- http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.3.4
>
>Bear in mind that browsers which only speak HTTP 1.0 won't know what
>to do with it, but there it is.
>
><?php
>  // process form
>  ...
>  // redirect to results page
>  header( 'HTTP/1.1 303 See Other' );
>  header( 'Location: result.html' );
>  exit( 'Form submitted, <a href="result.html">continue</a>.' );
>?>
>
>Clicking refresh resubmits the get request for result.html, not the
>original post request. (Same behavior as redirection with the default
>302 status.) Anecdotal testing proves that it works in IE and Firefox.
>
>   chris.
>





From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 14:21:58 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:21:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41F7DE0E.30203@bitblit.net>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz> <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
	<330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
	<41F7DE0E.30203@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <330532b605012611214d9ca604@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:14:38 -0500, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> >
> >-- Mitch, thinking bsd makes gentoo look like MacOS :-/
> >
> What does that mean?
> ;-)


<accent value="brooklyn">
    Don't get me started!
</accent>


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan 26 14:52:53 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:52:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <3000-74006@sneakemail.com>

Hans C. Kaspersetz hans-at-cyberxdesigns.com |nyphp dev/internal group 
use| wrote:

> +1 Chris!  I owe you a cold adult beverage.
> John, do you have an opinion on this?
>
> Hans
>
My opinion is that Dan and Chris are both brilliant and diligent.

I have no experience with the 303, but I can inquire of Google and 
Yahoo! and ask around.

If it works practically, it might be an answer to the flash detection 
issue (?). Since any redirect has potential for abuse, however if there 
was a way to do it without any redirection, of course that is best.

-=john andrews




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:57:55 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:57:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz> <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
	<330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60501260757288bd607@mail.gmail.com>

Well, just got some help from the PostgreSQL guys for the FreeBSD
issues, and think MamboForge.net is finally fixed.

If any of you experience problems, please email me so I am aware -
that way it is easier for me to diagnose the problems.

Thanks for your patience,

-- Mitch

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0500, Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:55:24 -0500, leam at reuel.net <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm... server problems this morning. Took a wile to find the server, the test drive is down. Is that a regular thing for them?
> 
> Nope.  First we had a power supply fail, taking the hard drive with
> it. Then the replacement power supply failed, again taking the power
> supply with it. Now we are in the throes of getting FreeBSD to act
> like all other server operating systems (which means allow more than
> 28 people to connect to the database at once).
> 
> * mitchy slaps forehead
> 
> For now you can get it at my site:
> 
> http://www.spacemonkeylabs.com/
> 
> And hopefully I can get the new bsd box cooperating today.
> 
> -- Mitch, thinking bsd makes gentoo look like MacOS :-/
>


From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Jan 26 15:05:18 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <330532b60501260757288bd607@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz>
	<41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>	<330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60501260757288bd607@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41F7F7FE.7000202@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>Well, just got some help from the PostgreSQL guys for the FreeBSD
>issues, and think MamboForge.net is finally fixed.
>
>If any of you experience problems, please email me so I am aware -
>that way it is easier for me to diagnose the problems.
>

Yeah, cvsweb is broken.

On the docs wiki, you can't get to the Developer Manual.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Wed Jan 26 16:53:15 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:53:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  curious router - server interaction problem
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050126163805.02986ea0@mail.optonline.net>

I know this is OT, but I also know that there are lots of smart people 
here, so.....

I have a Linksys wireless-B router that works perfectly except that I can't 
even ping 67.15.70.19.  If I bypass the router and go directly to the cable 
box, no problem; if I (ahem) borrow my neighbor's wireless-G, again no 
problem.  DNS information is correct.  Both Linksys and Optonline are 
baffled.  I would appreciate it if others with a moment of spare time, 
curiosity about this odd problem, and the same router, Linksys wireless-B, 
specifically BEFW11S4 (which by the way has the latest firmware), could try 
pinging and report to me OFFLIST what happens.  If you can connect, you 
might try http://www.carolynbross.com which is what I'm trying to work 
on.  If anyone else with different equipment has any anomalous result (I am 
expecting everybody else to have no problem), I'd appreciate hearing about 
that also.

Thanks in advance, and once again I apologize for this OT message.

Michael Southwell
VP, Education Department
New York PHP
michael.southwell at nyphp.org




From kushner at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 17:18:53 2005
From: kushner at gmail.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:18:53 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
In-Reply-To: <20050126153328.73F2AA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D69F09@network.PLMresearch.com>
	<20050126153328.73F2AA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <7ac626ed05012614183489a2e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:33:26 -0500, Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> > I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall
> > someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for
> > their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and
> > might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info
> > about it?

That would be me :)

> As a beta tester you get a pretty good amount off the price (20%?).  they
> just started a round of testing for ZDE 4, so you might be able to get in on
> it.

That's a good deal and the ZDE is really awesome.

I'll send Hans a formal promotion code for New York PHP within a
couple of days. There'll be a 25% discount for the ZDE and some other
goodies.

Best,
Daniel Kushner
______________________________________
Director of Education
Zend Technologies Ltd.

Zend Certified Engineer
http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND001047&r=209122599

Tel:  +1 (408) 253-8800
Fax:  +1 (408) 253-8801
daniel at zend.com
http://www.zend.com

==================================================================
Learn PHP from the experts
http://www.zend.com/training/courses
==================================================================


From leam at reuel.net  Wed Jan 26 18:27:51 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:27:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  curious router - server interaction problem
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050126163805.02986ea0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050126163805.02986ea0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050126232751.GD4397@leitz>

Just as an aside, some small routers won't connect to their own WAN address. So if you are 67.15.70.19 that might be the issue.

ciao!

leam

On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 04:53:15PM -0500, Michael Southwell wrote:
 > I know this is OT, but I also know that there are lots of smart people 
> here, so.....
> 
> I have a Linksys wireless-B router that works perfectly except that I can't 
> even ping 67.15.70.19.  If I bypass the router and go directly to the cable 
> box, no problem; if I (ahem) borrow my neighbor's wireless-G, again no 
> problem.  DNS information is correct.  Both Linksys and Optonline are 
> baffled.  I would appreciate it if others with a moment of spare time, 
> curiosity about this odd problem, and the same router, Linksys wireless-B, 
> specifically BEFW11S4 (which by the way has the latest firmware), could try 
> pinging and report to me OFFLIST what happens.  If you can connect, you 
> might try http://www.carolynbross.com which is what I'm trying to work 
> on.  If anyone else with different equipment has any anomalous result (I am 
> expecting everybody else to have no problem), I'd appreciate hearing about 
> that also.
> 
> Thanks in advance, and once again I apologize for this OT message.
> 
> Michael Southwell
> VP, Education Department
> New York PHP
> michael.southwell at nyphp.org


From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 26 19:04:39 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:04:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
Message-ID: <14084954.1106784279840.JavaMail.root@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Darn!

I talk my boss into buying ZDE and I did not get any goodies.


:-(

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner <kushner at gmail.com>
Sent: Jan 26, 2005 2:18 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:33:26 -0500, Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> > I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall
> > someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts for
> > their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and
> > might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any info
> > about it?

That would be me :)

> As a beta tester you get a pretty good amount off the price (20%?).  they
> just started a round of testing for ZDE 4, so you might be able to get in on
> it.

That's a good deal and the ZDE is really awesome.

I'll send Hans a formal promotion code for New York PHP within a
couple of days. There'll be a 25% discount for the ZDE and some other
goodies.

Best,
Daniel Kushner
______________________________________
Director of Education
Zend Technologies Ltd.

Zend Certified Engineer
http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND001047&r=209122599

Tel:  +1 (408) 253-8800
Fax:  +1 (408) 253-8801
daniel at zend.com
http://www.zend.com

==================================================================
Learn PHP from the experts
http://www.zend.com/training/courses
==================================================================
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org





From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 19:50:15 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:50:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Choice of CMS?
In-Reply-To: <41F7F7FE.7000202@bitblit.net>
References: <20050125115808.GF2921@leitz> <41F66C9E.1050004@bitblit.net>
	<20050126105524.GA2881@leitz>
	<330532b6050126071976c01c92@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60501260757288bd607@mail.gmail.com>
	<41F7F7FE.7000202@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <330532b6050126165058b3a292@mail.gmail.com>

You are right, cvsweb is broken (as are the gforge forums) and the
manual is referenced through cvsweb.

This site (mamboforge.net) is being replaced, and hopefully the new
site will be online within the next week or so. There is also a new
help site in the works that is almost finished, that will be the new
home for documentation and tutorials on Mambo.

Sorry for the downtime, we had repeated hardware failures right as we
were gearing up for the switch :-(

-- Mitch

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:18 -0500, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> 
> >Well, just got some help from the PostgreSQL guys for the FreeBSD
> >issues, and think MamboForge.net is finally fixed.
> >
> >If any of you experience problems, please email me so I am aware -
> >that way it is easier for me to diagnose the problems.
> >
> 
> Yeah, cvsweb is broken.
> 
> On the docs wiki, you can't get to the Developer Manual.


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan 26 21:29:11 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:29:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <3000-74006@sneakemail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>	<41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<3000-74006@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <10650-47090@sneakemail.com>

inforequest 1j0lkq002-at-sneakemail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| 
wrote:

> Hans C. Kaspersetz hans-at-cyberxdesigns.com |nyphp dev/internal group 
> use| wrote:
>
>> +1 Chris!  I owe you a cold adult beverage.
>> John, do you have an opinion on this?
>>
>> Hans
>>
> My opinion is that Dan and Chris are both brilliant and diligent.
>
> I have no experience with the 303, but I can inquire of Google and 
> Yahoo! and ask around.
>
> If it works practically, it might be an answer to the flash detection 
> issue (?). Since any redirect has potential for abuse, however if 
> there was a way to do it without any redirection, of course that is best.
>
> -=john andrews



It appears from my read of past history that the 303 is treated like a 
temporary redirect (e.g. untrusted, like a 302 or meta refresh)
This may be a case where using the 301 is "best" even though it may be 
technically incorrect (?)




From john at cyber-ny.com  Wed Jan 26 21:30:37 2005
From: john at cyber-ny.com (John Nunez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:30:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
In-Reply-To: <7ac626ed05012614183489a2e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D69F09@network.PLMresearch.com>
	<20050126153328.73F2AA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<7ac626ed05012614183489a2e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D9DF9EA-700B-11D9-9C48-000D93B7E95A@cyber-ny.com>

When will the 4.0 Beta for Mac OS X come out?  Just got an iBook for 
XMas and wanted to switch over.

Thanks,
John Nunez

On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Daniel Kushner wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:33:26 -0500, Mark Armendariz 
> <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
>>> I know this comes up from time to time on this list, but I recall
>>> someone on here being affiliated with Zend, and offering discounts 
>>> for
>>> their products. I've been playing around with Zend Studio lately, and
>>> might be interested in purchasing a few licenses. Anyone have any 
>>> info
>>> about it?
>
> That would be me :)
>
>> As a beta tester you get a pretty good amount off the price (20%?).  
>> they
>> just started a round of testing for ZDE 4, so you might be able to 
>> get in on
>> it.
>
> That's a good deal and the ZDE is really awesome.
>
> I'll send Hans a formal promotion code for New York PHP within a
> couple of days. There'll be a 25% discount for the ZDE and some other
> goodies.
>
> Best,
> Daniel Kushner
> ______________________________________
> Director of Education
> Zend Technologies Ltd.
>
> Zend Certified Engineer
> http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND001047&r=209122599
>
> Tel:  +1 (408) 253-8800
> Fax:  +1 (408) 253-8801
> daniel at zend.com
> http://www.zend.com
>
> ==================================================================
> Learn PHP from the experts
> http://www.zend.com/training/courses
> ==================================================================
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Thu Jan 27 09:36:59 2005
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:36:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Studio and Server
In-Reply-To: <6D9DF9EA-700B-11D9-9C48-000D93B7E95A@cyber-ny.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D69F09@network.PLMresearch.com>
	<20050126153328.73F2AA85F0@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<7ac626ed05012614183489a2e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D9DF9EA-700B-11D9-9C48-000D93B7E95A@cyber-ny.com>
Message-ID: <7b65ded830927af35597745cdcbe368a@email.smith.edu>

I'll be interested in checking it out as well when it is available on 
OS X.

-Aaron

On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:30 PM, John Nunez wrote:

> When will the 4.0 Beta for Mac OS X come out?  Just got an iBook for 
> XMas and wanted to switch over.
>
> Thanks,
> John Nunez



From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Jan 27 11:03:33 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:03:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple search engine
Message-ID: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>

Can anyone suggest a simple search engine for a small website?

I was going to use htdig but I can't get it installed on a RH8 box no
way no how. 

-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 11:06:38 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:06:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <10650-47090@sneakemail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com> <3000-74006@sneakemail.com>
	<10650-47090@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905012708065756f1e1@mail.gmail.com>

Since the purpose of 303 is to redirect after form submission, a
crawler should never encounter it.

Then again, how long will it be before gcrawler is registering for
sites and submitting searches of its own? ;-)


From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Jan 27 11:18:15 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:18:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <41F91447.1070905@bitblit.net>

Faber Fedor wrote:

>
>I was going to use htdig but I can't get it installed on a RH8 box no
>way no how. 
>

Did you visit RPM dependency hell? ;-)

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From andrew at plexpod.com  Thu Jan 27 11:28:46 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:28:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20050127162834.GC21270@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:03:33AM -0500, Faber Fedor wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a simple search engine for a small website?
> 
> I was going to use htdig but I can't get it installed on a RH8 box no
> way no how. 

I've used iSearch in situations like that.  The indexer can be a bit
sluggish and resource intensive.  Otherwise, its simple, has nice basic
features and is easily customized - both presentation and logic. It
definitely does the trick for small sites.

See:
    http://www.isearchthenet.com/isearch/

HTH,
Andrew


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu Jan 27 11:30:27 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:30:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <b762526905012708065756f1e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>	<41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<3000-74006@sneakemail.com>	<10650-47090@sneakemail.com>
	<b762526905012708065756f1e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1562-06899@sneakemail.com>

csnyder chsnyder-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Since the purpose of 303 is to redirect after form submission, a
>crawler should never encounter it.
>
>Then again, how long will it be before gcrawler is registering for
>sites and submitting searches of its own? ;-)
>  
>

As far as I know crawlers skip forms completely. Do they even "know" 
they are there?





From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Jan 27 11:39:13 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <41F91447.1070905@bitblit.net>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
	<41F91447.1070905@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <20050127163913.GA21051@uranus.faber.nom>

On 27/01/05 11:18 -0500, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> Faber Fedor wrote:
> 
> >
> >I was going to use htdig but I can't get it installed on a RH8 box no
> >way no how. 
> >
> 
> Did you visit RPM dependency hell? ;-)

Not quite.  The source won't compile because it can't find libstdc++/c++
compiler even though it's installed (presumably in a place that the
source can't find it).  

So I installed from the RPM which is a beta version of htdig.  That
aborts due to a NULL bug.  So I find the patch, grab the source RPM and
go about rebuilding the RPM.  Turns out I don't have various include
files, IOW I need an htdig-devel RPM which AKAICT doesn't exist for any
distro other than Mandrake.

At that point, I gave up.

I'm currently trying PHPDig but I'm stuck trying to find out where to
set the admin name/passwd in includes/config.php.


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 11:40:35 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:40:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"
In-Reply-To: <1562-06899@sneakemail.com>
References: <b76252690501260928664a283f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41F7DED6.6010503@cyberxdesigns.com> <3000-74006@sneakemail.com>
	<10650-47090@sneakemail.com>
	<b762526905012708065756f1e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1562-06899@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905012708405b9fb312@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:30:27 -0500, inforequest
<1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:

> As far as I know crawlers skip forms completely. Do they even "know"
> they are there?

The spambots sure do.


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu Jan 27 13:31:29 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:31:29 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with HTTP/1.1 303 See Other
Message-ID: <5061-08895@sneakemail.com>

wonderful. I would love to have the spambots ban me!



Original Message:
-----------------
From: csnyder chsnyder-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|
...
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:40:35 -0500
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Redirect after post with "HTTP/1.1 303 See Other"


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:30:27 -0500, inforequest
<1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:

> As far as I know crawlers skip forms completely. Do they even "know"
> they are there?

The spambots sure do.
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 18:05:31 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:05:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any strongbad fans out there?
Message-ID: <330532b6050127150545ac04e6@mail.gmail.com>

I was pointed at this today, and literally needed a kleenex from
laughing so hard for so long.

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html

-- Mitch


From rahmin at insite-out.com  Thu Jan 27 18:12:44 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:12:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any strongbad fans out there?
Message-ID: <200501272312.j0RNCiYP014974@webmail5.megamailservers.com>

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Jan 27 18:24:24 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any strongbad fans out there?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050127150545ac04e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b6050127150545ac04e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41F97828.7050102@optonline.net>

My kids memorized this one - http://www.homestarrunner.com/fluffypuff2.html

Jeff

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> I was pointed at this today, and literally needed a kleenex from
> laughing so hard for so long.
> 
> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html
> 
> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
> 



From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 10:23:55 2005
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (haha)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:23:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The speed of a program
Message-ID: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All:

Is there a program I can use to test the speed of the php
program? I need it to get the profermence of my program.


Thanks,

LY


		
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Jan 28 10:29:33 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:29:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The speed of a program
In-Reply-To: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com>

Heya:

On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 07:23:55AM -0800, haha wrote:
> 
> Is there a program I can use to test the speed of the php
> program? I need it to get the profermence of my program.

http://pear.php.net/package/Benchmark

--Dan

-- 
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                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From ajai at bitblit.net  Fri Jan 28 12:04:13 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:04:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any strongbad fans out there?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050127150545ac04e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b6050127150545ac04e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41FA708D.7090401@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>I was pointed at this today, and literally needed a kleenex from
>laughing so hard for so long.
>
>http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html
>
Ja-we Ja-we Ja-wanna check me email...

We have been fans for a long time here - I even have the toy figures 
sitting on top of my monitor.

My favorites are the parody of Japanese anime and the one explaining how 
to deal with dullards:

http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail57.html
http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail37.html

"Your computer has too much computer in it and not enough typewriter." ;-)
http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail34.html

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri Jan 28 13:39:45 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:39:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
In-Reply-To: <20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com>
References: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com>
Message-ID: <27915-55598@sneakemail.com>

In case it hasn't been mentioned:

mysql on windows targeted by worm:

http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-01-27&isc=811c8d08470e11fdb8efdabfe5bee079


quoted:

A "bot", exploiting vulnerable MySQL installs on Windows systems, has 
been spotted. It infected a few thousand systems so far. Like typical 
for bots, infected systems will connect to an IRC server. The IRC server 
will instruct them to scan various /8 networks for other vulnerable 
mysql servers.

*Infection Method*

The bot uses the "MySQL UDF Dynamic Library Exploit". In order to launch 
the exploit, the bot first has to authenticate to mysql as 'root' user. 
A long list of passwords is included with the bot, and the bot will 
brute force the password.

Once connected, the bot will create a table called 'bla' using the 
database 'mysql'. The 'mysql' database is typically used to store 
administrative information like passwords, and is part of every mysql 
install. The only field in this database is a BLOB named 'line'.

Once the table is created, the executable is written into the table 
using an insert statement. Then, the content of is written to a file 
called 'app_result.dll' using 'select * from bla into dumpfile 
"app_result.dll"'. The 'bla' table is dropped once the file is created.

In order to execute the 'app_result.dll', the bot creates a mysql 
function called 'app_result' which uses the 'app_result.dll' file saved 
earlier. This function is executed, and as a result the bot is loaded 
and run.

*Post Infection Behavior*

The bot will now try to connect to one out of a number of IRC servers:
dummylandingzone.hn.org -> 212.105.105.214

this have been disabled by respective dynamic dns providers(thanks!!):
landingzone.ath.cx -> 212.105.105.214
dummylandingzone.dyndns.org -> no such name
landingzone.dynamic-ip.us -> was: 212.105.105.214
dummylandingzone.dns2go.com -> 63.64.164.91 and 63.149.6.91
dummylandingzone.hn.org -> 212.105.105.214
dummylandingzone.dynu.com -> 212.105.105.214
zmoker.dns2go.com -> 63.64.164.91
landingzone.dynu.com -> was: 212.105.105.214
dummylandingzone.ipupdater.com -> 212.105.105.214

The bot will connect to the IRC server on port 5002 or 5003. At this 
point, the IRC servers appear busy and unable to accept new connections. 
Note that dynamic DNS services are used. The IP addresses will likely 
change. Last time we where able to connect, about 8,500 hosts where 
connected to the IRC server.

The bot will connect to a channel called '#rampenstampen' using the key 
'gratisporn'. The topic of the channel is set to '!adv.start mysql 80 10 
0 132.x.x.x -a -r -s'. This will instruct the bot to scan random ips in 
'132.0.0.0/8' for mysql server. Throughout our observation, the topic 
was changed regularly. To be scanned networks included 10.0.0.0/8, 
likely an attempt to infect other mysql servers within a local network 
that is otherwise protected by a firewall.

So far, the bot has been identified as a version of 'Wootbot'. It 
appears to include the usual set of bot features like a DDOS engine, 
various scanners, commands to solicit information from infected systems 
(e.g. system stats, software registration keys and such). The bot 
provides an FTP server, and a backdoors (details later. Appears to be 
listening on port 2301/tcp and 2304/tcp, maybe other ports).




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 16:06:48 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:06:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
In-Reply-To: <27915-55598@sneakemail.com>
References: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com> <27915-55598@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690501281306484fc6ee@mail.gmail.com>

In case you're using Apachefriends XAMPP on Windows, you can turn off
the MySQL daemon's network listener by editing
C:\apachefriends\xampp\mysql\bin\my.cnf

Under [mysqld] add a "skip-networking" directive:

  # The MySQL server
  [mysqld]
  skip-networking
  socket          = mysql
  ...

Local programs can still connect to the DB via localhost socket, but
internet worms are locked out.


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri Jan 28 16:34:06 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:34:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
In-Reply-To: <b76252690501281306484fc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com> <27915-55598@sneakemail.com>
	<b76252690501281306484fc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501281633140.89415@emra.pair.com>


Any reason why it wouldn't work on Windows/MySQL installations other than
XAMPP?

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, csnyder wrote:

> In case you're using Apachefriends XAMPP on Windows, you can turn off
> the MySQL daemon's network listener by editing
> C:\apachefriends\xampp\mysql\bin\my.cnf
>
> Under [mysqld] add a "skip-networking" directive:
>
>   # The MySQL server
>   [mysqld]
>   skip-networking
>   socket          = mysql
>   ...
___
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http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 16:57:38 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:57:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501281633140.89415@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050128152356.63467.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20050128152933.GA18781@panix.com> <27915-55598@sneakemail.com>
	<b76252690501281306484fc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501281633140.89415@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690501281357675b3337@mail.gmail.com>

David Mintz asked:
> Any reason why it wouldn't work on Windows/MySQL installations other than
> XAMPP?

Different path to my.cnf, that's all.

BTW, on my workstation, the .cnf of my.cnf is hidden despite the fact
that I ask windows explorer to show extensions. :-/


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:07:23 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:07:23 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
Message-ID: <18179-74621@sneakemail.com>


BTW, on my workstation, the .cnf of my.cnf is hidden despite the fact
that I ask windows explorer to show extensions. :-/
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk



yeah, isn't that helpful? Lucky for you, you don't trust Windows and are
more than happy to ignore all that and open it anyway.

-=john




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From dan at danhorning.com  Fri Jan 28 17:55:42 2005
From: dan at danhorning.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:55:42 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [nycphp-talk] [OT] mySql targeted by worm
In-Reply-To: <18179-74621@sneakemail.com>
References: <18179-74621@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <41FAC2EE.2000700@danhorning.com>

quick fix.....

are you in a domain controlled PC ... if so - your admin may have locked 
that setting out .... domain override - great feature... PITA......lol

otherwise who knows... send me your system info (version ... etc...) 
i'll see if i can dig anything up from MS!!!
-dan


inforequest wrote:

>BTW, on my workstation, the .cnf of my.cnf is hidden despite the fact
>that I ask windows explorer to show extensions. :-/
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk
>
>
>
>yeah, isn't that helpful? Lucky for you, you don't trust Windows and are
>more than happy to ignore all that and open it anyway.
>
>-=john
>
>
>
>
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>  
>


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From faber at linuxnj.com  Fri Jan 28 18:17:56 2005
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber Fedor)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:17:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <20050127162834.GC21270@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
	<20050127162834.GC21270@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <20050128231756.GA27769@uranus.faber.nom>

On 27/01/05 11:28 -0500, Andrew Yochum wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:03:33AM -0500, Faber Fedor wrote:
> > Can anyone suggest a simple search engine for a small website?
> 
> I've used iSearch in situations like that.  The indexer can be a bit
> sluggish and resource intensive.  Otherwise, its simple, has nice basic
> features and is easily customized - both presentation and logic. It
> definitely does the trick for small sites.

I'm currently using PHPDig which seems fine.  I'm having two
problems with it though; if I can't get those resolved, I'll try
iSearch.  Thanks.


-- 
 
Regards,
 
Faber                     

Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey
http://www.linuxnj.com





From kigathi at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 19:44:05 2005
From: kigathi at gmail.com (Eric Kigathi)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:44:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <20050128231756.GA27769@uranus.faber.nom>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
	<20050127162834.GC21270@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
	<20050128231756.GA27769@uranus.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <f6b3106e0501281644ec75169@mail.gmail.com>

mNoGo: 
http://search.mnogo.ru/

MySQL.com uses mNoGo Search, it seems pretty effective, free/open
source (their site is supported by "Russian Brides" ;) and scales
fairly well


From kigathi at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 21:46:59 2005
From: kigathi at gmail.com (Eric Kigathi)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:46:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP-SEO Meeting Presentation
Message-ID: <f6b3106e050128184647865ec@mail.gmail.com>

The S.E.O. presentation this Tuesday was interesting, too bad it was a
little rushed toward the end. Is the presentation up yet?


From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan 28 23:03:37 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:03:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Simple search engine
In-Reply-To: <f6b3106e0501281644ec75169@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050127160333.GA20816@uranus.faber.nom>
	<20050127162834.GC21270@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
	<20050128231756.GA27769@uranus.faber.nom>
	<f6b3106e0501281644ec75169@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050129040336.GB18603@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 07:44:05PM -0500, Eric Kigathi wrote:
> mNoGo: 
> http://search.mnogo.ru/
> 
> MySQL.com uses mNoGo Search, it seems pretty effective, free/open
> source (their site is supported by "Russian Brides" ;) and scales
> fairly well

I give mnoGoSearch a thumbs up.  Its pretty customizable / configurable,
the PHP API is decent to use and its all fast, partly due to it being in
C and partly due to the DB structure.  And yes, it scales pretty well.
However, if you're looking to use the PHP API, you'll need to compile
the PHP extension and get that installed by your sysadmin.  Then you're
left with the stock search.cgi and/or the C API to write your own
version of search.c(gi).  Not a search solution I'd recommend for small
sites, unless your host has support for it in their PHP build *or*
you're comfortable with writing/hacking C.  Other solutions can be just
as effective for a small sites reqs.

HTH,
Andrew


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 29 16:59:47 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:59:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #285
Message-ID: <20050129215947.GA3314@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

Just because you haven't received one of these summaries from me in 
several months doesn't mean there haven't been vulnerabilities in PHP 
apps. :)

The most recent newsletter is sure helping me making up for lost time.  
There are LOADS of problems!

SecurityFocus Newsletter #285
-----------------------------

PHP STUFF
---------
SparkleBlog Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12272

Minis Remote Directory Traversal Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12279

Gallery Multiple Unspecified Input Validation Vulnerabilitie...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12286

SafeHTML HTML Entity Bypass Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12288

PHP Gift Registry Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12289

ITA Forum Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12290

Gallery Multiple Remote Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12292

VBulletin Init.PHP Unspecified Remote Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12299

CMSimple Multiple Remote Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12303

Siteman User Database Privilege Escalation Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12304

MediaWiki Multiple Arbitrary PHP Code Execution Vulnerabilit...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12305

ExBB Nested BBcode Remote Script Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12306

JSBoard Local File Include File Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12319

TikiWiki Multiple Remote Unspecified PHP Script Code Executi...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12328



OTHER POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT STUFF
---------------------------------
Oracle Database Multiple Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12301

MySQL Database MySQLAccess Local Insecure Temporary File Cre...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12277

Apache Utilities Insecure Temporary File Creation Vulnerabil...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12308

Linux Kernel Audit Subsystem Local Denial Of Service Vulnera...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12309

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From lists at zaunere.com  Sat Jan 29 22:30:54 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:30:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Special Offer From Zend
Message-ID: <20050130033059.1BE67A85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>


**This commercial posting has been approved by the New York PHP Board**

After some recent interest in some Zend products, New York PHP has been able to get some special discounts.
 
The promo code NYPHP05 will give the following discounts (valid until end of Feb)

$25 discount on Studio
10% off Certification
20% off PHP Essentials
10% off Single Session PHP Courses

Enter the promo code during checkout.

Thanks to Daniel Kushner and Zend for making this possible.


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org





From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sun Jan 30 14:35:02 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:35:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>


Hi everybody.

I am soon to start teaching an introductory PHP class. Week 1 assignment
is get yourself up and running PHP 5.0.x w/ mysqli, MySQL 4.1.x and Apache
1.3.33 or 2.0.5x on your own development machine. I can talk about
installation and configuration from (modest) experience on Windows and
Linux, both with XAMPP and building from source, but not OS X because I
got no OS X machine to play with.

Generally speaking, can you try XAMPP for Linux on Mac OS X and get lucky?
Or, suppose you use a package like MAMP (http://www.mamp.info/en/home/).
It looks wonderful but I would like MySQL 4.1.x and mysqli, which it
lacks -- how painful do you think it would be to upgrade its MySQL to
4.1.9, and possibly, if necessary, also update its PHP to include mysqli?

Stated differently:  is there a painless way for novices to get AMP going
on their Mac __with the latest production-quality__ versions of
everything? Last time I had students whose Macs already had AMP dating
from their OS installation time -- and in some cases that was pretty old.

Thanks and sorry for the verbosity,

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 14:52:54 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:52:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
Message-ID: <29da5d1505013011524b5d473e@mail.gmail.com>

I have a users table on my website that primary field 'id', which is
auto_incremental.  This usually never happens, and really doesn't
affect anything in anyway, but it's bugging me to why it's happening. 
When I'm looking at it through phpMyAdmin, with the query "SELECT *
FROM users" the output is:

1 - 13
then 15
14
16 and on

I'm not an expert on MySQL to any degree, but I though if no ORDER was
input, it auto sorted by the primary key (if none provided, I figured
index was then taken, then just the order it was input).

If I left out any relevant information to the matter let me know and
I'll post it.
-- 
Brian O'Connor


From lists at zaunere.com  Sun Jan 30 18:05:26 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:05:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
In-Reply-To: <29da5d1505013011524b5d473e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050130230528.4212BA85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>


Hi Brian,

> I have a users table on my website that primary field 'id', which is
> auto_incremental.  This usually never happens, and really doesn't
> affect anything in anyway, but it's bugging me to why it's happening.
> When I'm looking at it through phpMyAdmin, with the query "SELECT *
> FROM users" the output is:
> 
> 1 - 13
> then 15
> 14
> 16 and on
> 
> I'm not an expert on MySQL to any degree, but I though if no ORDER was
> input, it auto sorted by the primary key (if none provided, I figured
> index was then taken, then just the order it was input).

If no ORDER BY is used, then there is no sorting, primary key or not.  I don't know of any database that's any different.  It'll be in the order in which the data lies in the file, which should always be assumed as random.


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

Hans Zaunere, Sales Engineer
MySQL, Inc.  www.mysql.com





From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 18:12:59 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:12:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
In-Reply-To: <20050130230528.4212BA85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <29da5d1505013011524b5d473e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050130230528.4212BA85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <29da5d150501301512edc01a6@mail.gmail.com>

Right, so how is it that an auto_increment wouldn't sort by the id
number?  Because if it's being sorted by the order it got entered,
then it should still be in order.  At least that clears up a few
things for me.

On a side note, anyway to have phpMyAdmin default sort by primary key?


On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:05:26 -0500, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> > I have a users table on my website that primary field 'id', which is
> > auto_incremental.  This usually never happens, and really doesn't
> > affect anything in anyway, but it's bugging me to why it's happening.
> > When I'm looking at it through phpMyAdmin, with the query "SELECT *
> > FROM users" the output is:
> >
> > 1 - 13
> > then 15
> > 14
> > 16 and on
> >
> > I'm not an expert on MySQL to any degree, but I though if no ORDER was
> > input, it auto sorted by the primary key (if none provided, I figured
> > index was then taken, then just the order it was input).
> 
> If no ORDER BY is used, then there is no sorting, primary key or not.  I don't know of any database that's any different.  It'll be in the order in which the data lies in the file, which should always be assumed as random.
> 
> ---
> Hans Zaunere
> President, Founder
> New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
> Hans Zaunere, Sales Engineer
> MySQL, Inc.  www.mysql.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
Brian O'Connor


From lists at zaunere.com  Sun Jan 30 18:20:46 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:20:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
In-Reply-To: <29da5d150501301512edc01a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050130232048.1E0DCA85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>


> Right, so how is it that an auto_increment wouldn't sort by the id
> number?  Because if it's being sorted by the order it got entered,
> then it should still be in order.  At least that clears up a few
> things for me.

auto_increment isn't dependant on sorting.  It's an internal counter that is maintained in the table structure.  The order by which records appear when a SELECT is run without an ORDER BY is the order in which they lay in the on-disk datafile.  An auto_increment column, on the other hand, is just a counter.

> On a side note, anyway to have phpMyAdmin default sort by primary key?

Not that I know of, but you should always specify an ORDER BY when you want something sorted anyway, and not depend on some automatic behavior.


H




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sun Jan 30 18:41:29 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:41:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
In-Reply-To: <20050130232048.1E0DCA85E9@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000801c50725$38c1da60$d0893818@oberon1>

Hans Zaunere writes:

>...The order 
> by which records appear when a SELECT is run without an ORDER 
> BY is the order in which they lay in the on-disk datafile.

As a follow-up: If it is a MyISAM file, why don't you dump 
the contents of the .MYD file and look at it -- that way 
you could see for yourself.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From tom at supertom.com  Mon Jan 31 10:07:48 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:07:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>

Hey folks,

Wondering if anyone has come across a tutorial on how to convert your 
HTML into a Mambo Template or Theme (not sure of the terminology). I've 
seen a bunch of similar things, but not exactly that. I'm starting with 
a PSD file, so I would hope to see something that described how it 
should be sliced up and where images/html should be placed.

Any thoughts or info as to what to read up on or where to go would be 
greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org



From yury at heavenspa.com  Mon Jan 31 10:15:44 2005
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury Rush)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:15:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJMENKDJAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

Sinmplest way is to open someone elses mambo template and review where they
used the <php> tags..

ciao
yury

www.motionrush.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Tom Melendez
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?


Hey folks,

Wondering if anyone has come across a tutorial on how to convert your
HTML into a Mambo Template or Theme (not sure of the terminology). I've
seen a bunch of similar things, but not exactly that. I'm starting with
a PSD file, so I would hope to see something that described how it
should be sliced up and where images/html should be placed.

Any thoughts or info as to what to read up on or where to go would be
greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org

_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org



From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Jan 31 10:20:18 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:20:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJMENKDJAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501311016570.839-100000@root.bitblit.net>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Yury Rush wrote:

> Sinmplest way is to open someone elses mambo template and review where they
> used the <php> tags..

Actually there are a bunch of "from Photoshop" or "from Dreamweaver" 
template tutorials for Mambo - most of them are listed on this Mambo forum 
thread:

http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=26144


Also I've found the Mambo Developer's Manual fills in a lot of missing 
pieces too.


-- 
Aj. (ajai at bitblit.net)
Systems Administrator / Developer



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 10:23:26 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:07:48 -0500, Tom Melendez <tom at supertom.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> Wondering if anyone has come across a tutorial on how to convert your
> HTML into a Mambo Template or Theme (not sure of the terminology). I've
> seen a bunch of similar things, but not exactly that. I'm starting with
> a PSD file, so I would hope to see something that described how it
> should be sliced up and where images/html should be placed.

One good tutorial can be found here, including instructions on
installing the Mambo Template plugin for Dreamweaver:

http://www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial/

I just wrote one for International PHP Magazine, but not sure if it
made the next issue or not. I will be presenting this for the February
NYPHP session however ;-)

-- Mitch


From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Mon Jan 31 10:40:46 2005
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:40:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <799F7D10-739E-11D9-B7EB-003065C1CBE0@thecolorgeek.com>

I cannot vouch for them since I have not really worked with their 
installs but they make it very easy and Mac friendly.  
www.serverlogistics.com it appears fairly painless.
On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 02:35  PM, David Mintz wrote:

>
> Hi everybody.
>
> I am soon to start teaching an introductory PHP class. Week 1 
> assignment
> is get yourself up and running PHP 5.0.x w/ mysqli, MySQL 4.1.x and 
> Apache
> 1.3.33 or 2.0.5x on your own development machine. I can talk about
> installation and configuration from (modest) experience on Windows and
> Linux, both with XAMPP and building from source, but not OS X because I
> got no OS X machine to play with.
>
> Generally speaking, can you try XAMPP for Linux on Mac OS X and get 
> lucky?
> Or, suppose you use a package like MAMP 
> (http://www.mamp.info/en/home/).
> It looks wonderful but I would like MySQL 4.1.x and mysqli, which it
> lacks -- how painful do you think it would be to upgrade its MySQL to
> 4.1.9, and possibly, if necessary, also update its PHP to include 
> mysqli?
>
> Stated differently:  is there a painless way for novices to get AMP 
> going
> on their Mac __with the latest production-quality__ versions of
> everything? Last time I had students whose Macs already had AMP dating
> from their OS installation time -- and in some cases that was pretty 
> old.
>
> Thanks and sorry for the verbosity,
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> "Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
> and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."
>
>    -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Mon Jan 31 10:57:51 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:57:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B18@network.PLMresearch.com>

I'm new to pear and its package manager.  Have successful installed pear on
my windoz box and am trying to use install from the command line.
Everything appears to work OK, however, the particular package that I'm
trying to install is listed as beta.  The pear install command appears to
only support those packages listed as stable.  Anyone know of a work-around?
Is there a switch I can set that will install beta packages?

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.PLMresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php



From scott at crisscott.com  Mon Jan 31 11:01:37 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:01:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B18@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B18@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <41FE5661.5040007@crisscott.com>

Mark Withington wrote:

> I'm new to pear and its package manager.  Have successful installed pear on
> my windoz box and am trying to use install from the command line.
> Everything appears to work OK, however, the particular package that I'm
> trying to install is listed as beta.  The pear install command appears to
> only support those packages listed as stable.  Anyone know of a work-around?
> Is there a switch I can set that will install beta packages?
> 

You need to set your prefered package state. You can see your current 
settings by typing:
$ pear config-show

And then you can set up pear to allow you to install beta packages by 
typing:
$ pear config-set preferred_state beta


-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks


From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Mon Jan 31 11:06:36 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:06:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B19@network.PLMresearch.com>

Thanks.  That did the trick.  On a related note.  Anyone know of a good pear
primer (in book form) that I can buy for reading on the train/etc?

Mark

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.PLMresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Scott Mattocks
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager


Mark Withington wrote:

> I'm new to pear and its package manager.  Have successful installed pear
on
> my windoz box and am trying to use install from the command line.
> Everything appears to work OK, however, the particular package that I'm
> trying to install is listed as beta.  The pear install command appears to
> only support those packages listed as stable.  Anyone know of a
work-around?
> Is there a switch I can set that will install beta packages?
> 

You need to set your prefered package state. You can see your current 
settings by typing:
$ pear config-show

And then you can set up pear to allow you to install beta packages by 
typing:
$ pear config-set preferred_state beta


-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org


From brent at landover.com  Mon Jan 31 11:12:57 2005
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:12:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <F858976F-73A2-11D9-A77B-000A95CD828E@landover.com>

There were quite a few issues with building from source under OS X 
early on, but Apple has really come up to speed with the open source 
compilers that now come with OS X. So, the rules are fairly close to 
those of BSD.

But, for a nice easy install that won't require a command line, Marc 
Liyanage maintains a Mac install of both PHP and MySQL at entropy.ch. 
He includes detailed instructions for multiple versions. He's done a 
really fine job and has been staying on top of things for a couple of 
years now.

On Jan 30, 2005, at 2:35 PM, David Mintz wrote:

>
> Hi everybody.
>
> I am soon to start teaching an introductory PHP class. Week 1 
> assignment
> is get yourself up and running PHP 5.0.x w/ mysqli, MySQL 4.1.x and 
> Apache
> 1.3.33 or 2.0.5x on your own development machine. I can talk about
> installation and configuration from (modest) experience on Windows and
> Linux, both with XAMPP and building from source, but not OS X because I
> got no OS X machine to play with.
>
> Generally speaking, can you try XAMPP for Linux on Mac OS X and get 
> lucky?
> Or, suppose you use a package like MAMP 
> (http://www.mamp.info/en/home/).
> It looks wonderful but I would like MySQL 4.1.x and mysqli, which it
> lacks -- how painful do you think it would be to upgrade its MySQL to
> 4.1.9, and possibly, if necessary, also update its PHP to include 
> mysqli?
>
> Stated differently:  is there a painless way for novices to get AMP 
> going
> on their Mac __with the latest production-quality__ versions of
> everything? Last time I had students whose Macs already had AMP dating
> from their OS installation time -- and in some cases that was pretty 
> old.
>
> Thanks and sorry for the verbosity,
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> "Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
> and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."
>
>    -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk
> Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Jan 31 11:18:12 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:18:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B18@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B18@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <20050131161812.GA9922@panix.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:57:51AM -0500, Mark Withington wrote:

> the particular package that I'm
> trying to install is listed as beta.  The pear install command appears to
> only support those packages listed as stable.  Anyone know of a work-around?

pear install PackageName-beta

This is nice because it's a temporary change, unlike the preferred state 
option in another message.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From tom at supertom.com  Mon Jan 31 11:38:58 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:38:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
	<330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow, thanks everyone! There's definitely alot of info - time for me to 
get reading!

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org


Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:07:48 -0500, Tom Melendez <tom at supertom.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hey folks,
>>
>>Wondering if anyone has come across a tutorial on how to convert your
>>HTML into a Mambo Template or Theme (not sure of the terminology). I've
>>seen a bunch of similar things, but not exactly that. I'm starting with
>>a PSD file, so I would hope to see something that described how it
>>should be sliced up and where images/html should be placed.
>>    
>>
>
>One good tutorial can be found here, including instructions on
>installing the Mambo Template plugin for Dreamweaver:
>
>http://www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial/
>
>I just wrote one for International PHP Magazine, but not sure if it
>made the next issue or not. I will be presenting this for the February
>NYPHP session however ;-)
>
>-- Mitch
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk
>Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org
>
>  
>



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Mon Jan 31 11:42:31 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:42:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1B@network.PLMresearch.com>

Thanks Dan.  One more quick question.  When I run pear config-get php_dir I
get the following:

c:\php10\pear

and therefore all pear packages are loaded there via the package manager.
I've got a feeling though, that I should be installing these in my web
directory not my PHP directory - cause I'm getting errors when I try to
reference these pear packages via an include or require statement.  Is my
pear configuration correct or should I point it to another spot?

Thanks (again) in advance,

Mark

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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Convissor
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:18 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager


On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:57:51AM -0500, Mark Withington wrote:

> the particular package that I'm
> trying to install is listed as beta.  The pear install command appears to
> only support those packages listed as stable.  Anyone know of a
work-around?

pear install PackageName-beta

This is nice because it's a temporary change, unlike the preferred state 
option in another message.

--Dan

-- 
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From scott at crisscott.com  Mon Jan 31 11:49:18 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:49:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1B@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1B@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <41FE618E.8050404@crisscott.com>

Mark Withington wrote:

> Thanks Dan.  One more quick question.  When I run pear config-get php_dir I
> get the following:
> 
> c:\php10\pear
> 
> and therefore all pear packages are loaded there via the package manager.
> I've got a feeling though, that I should be installing these in my web
> directory not my PHP directory - cause I'm getting errors when I try to
> reference these pear packages via an include or require statement.  Is my
> pear configuration correct or should I point it to another spot?

You shouldn't treat PEAR files any differently from other files that you 
would include in your script. Putting them in your web directory can be 
dangerous. I think there was a Phundamentals article about this.

You should just make sure that your include path is set properly and you 
shouldn't have any problems.

-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks


From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Mon Jan 31 12:00:49 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:00:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1C@network.PLMresearch.com>

Thanks Scott.

Guess I'm stumped with setting my include path.  In my php.ini I specify the
following:

include_path=.;c:/php10/PEAR

in my test script I use:

require_once 'Spreadsheet\Excel\Writer.php';

However, when I run the script I get the following:

Warning: main(Spreadsheet\Excel\Writer.php): failed to open stream: No such
file or directory in c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\main_branch\program_files\excel.php on line 2

Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'Spreadsheet\Excel\Writer.php'
(include_path='.') in c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\main_branch\program_files\excel.php on line 2

I have verified that the Writer.php file is in the director and that the
path I specify is correct. Thanks for any light you might shed.

Mark

--------------------------
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PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Scott Mattocks
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:49 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager


Mark Withington wrote:

> Thanks Dan.  One more quick question.  When I run pear config-get php_dir
I
> get the following:
> 
> c:\php10\pear
> 
> and therefore all pear packages are loaded there via the package manager.
> I've got a feeling though, that I should be installing these in my web
> directory not my PHP directory - cause I'm getting errors when I try to
> reference these pear packages via an include or require statement.  Is my
> pear configuration correct or should I point it to another spot?

You shouldn't treat PEAR files any differently from other files that you 
would include in your script. Putting them in your web directory can be 
dangerous. I think there was a Phundamentals article about this.

You should just make sure that your include path is set properly and you 
shouldn't have any problems.

-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Jan 31 12:02:02 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:02:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>

David Mintz wrote:

>Generally speaking, can you try XAMPP for Linux on Mac OS X and get lucky?
>

Its generally accepted (amongst Mac users that is) that the AMP packages 
at entropy.ch are the best for Mac OS X.

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From scott at crisscott.com  Mon Jan 31 12:07:00 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:07:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1C@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1C@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <41FE65B4.3090800@crisscott.com>

Mark Withington wrote:

> 
> include_path=.;c:/php10/PEAR
> 
> Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'Spreadsheet\Excel\Writer.php'
> (include_path='.') in c:\program files\apache
> group\apache\htdocs\main_branch\program_files\excel.php on line 2

It looks like you are setting the include path wrong. Take a look at 
this page in the manual:
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ini.sect.path-directory.php#ini.include-path

You need to use back slashes instead of forward slashes when working on 
windows.

-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com
http://pear.php.net/user/scottmattocks


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Jan 31 12:12:44 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:12:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1C@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B1C@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <20050131171244.GA25335@panix.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:00:49PM -0500, Mark Withington wrote:
> 
> include_path=.;c:/php10/PEAR

include_path = ".;c:\php10\PEAR"

... snip ...

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 12:52:27 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:52:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690501310952e776551@mail.gmail.com>

It's worth pointing out that OSX already has native Apache and PHP
installations. So whatever you do needs to account for that...


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 31 12:57:23 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:57:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311246430.33145@emra.pair.com>



Thanks to everyone.

Seems that entropy.ch is the best bet. One more thing and then I'll shut
up (temporarily). Does anyone know whether the current the Entropy PHP
package is built against the MySQL 4.0.x libraries, the 4.1.x, or both?

Bottom line is, I want to coerce my PHP students into running MySQL 4.1.x
and mysqli, and if it's unreasonably difficult for a novice to do that on
OS X, I will have to reconsider.



--Mintz


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 31 13:00:21 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:00:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <b76252690501310952e776551@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
	<b76252690501310952e776551@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311258360.33145@emra.pair.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, csnyder wrote:

> It's worth pointing out that OSX already has native Apache and PHP
> installations. So whatever you do needs to account for that...


Yes indeed -- in some cases, Apache/PHP that is older than dirt. Well, ok,
I exaggerate...

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

"Don't let the liberal media tell you what to think
and feel. If you have hatred in your heart, let it out."

   -- Clayton Bigsby, black white supremacist


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Jan 31 13:19:50 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:19:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311246430.33145@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>	<41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311246430.33145@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <41FE76C6.7010909@bitblit.net>

David Mintz wrote:

>Seems that entropy.ch is the best bet. One more thing and then I'll shut
>up (temporarily). Does anyone know whether the current the Entropy PHP
>package is built against the MySQL 4.0.x libraries, the 4.1.x, or both?
>
>Bottom line is, I want to coerce my PHP students into running MySQL 4.1.x
>and mysqli, and if it's unreasonably difficult for a novice to do that on
>OS X, I will have to reconsider.
>
There are two other ways of getting the latest versions on OS X:

1. Install the Fink package system (this is bascially apt-get for OS X):
    http://fink.sourceforge.net

2.  Or if you prefer the Gentoo approach, you can get Portage for OS X 
now too:
    http://www.metadistribution.org/macos/

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:38:58 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:38:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311258360.33145@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0501301409150.45876@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE648A.3090901@bitblit.net>
	<b76252690501310952e776551@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501311258360.33145@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b7625269050131103811555d49@mail.gmail.com>

> Yes indeed -- in some cases, Apache/PHP that is older than dirt. Well, ok,
> I exaggerate...

No, you aren't exaggerating -- I think the default for 10.3 was PHP 4.3.6
The latest update from Apple ( 2005-001 ) finally bumped PHP to 4.3.10.

Apache has been kept up to date, tho.


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Jan 31 14:06:07 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
	<330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41FE819F.5020905@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>One good tutorial can be found here, including instructions on
>installing the Mambo Template plugin for Dreamweaver:
>
>http://www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial/
>
>I just wrote one for International PHP Magazine, but not sure if it
>made the next issue or not. I will be presenting this for the February
>NYPHP session however ;-)
>

Bad timing that the API ref is down - Im working on a Mambo site and 
could do with the API docs!


-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Mon Jan 31 14:16:39 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:16:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B19@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B19@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <41FE8417.2040805@cyberxdesigns.com>

I like David Sklar's Essential PHP Tools.  I use it fairly regularly.  I 
am also working my way through PHP 5 Power Programming by Andi Gutmans, 
Stig Bakken and Derick Rethans.  PHP 5 Power Programming is a good 
book.  The first part deals with the differences between PHP 4 and 5.  
Then launches into some good information about OOP and Patterns and 
follows with information about PEAR and other extensions.

Good luck!
Hans

-- 
Hans Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



Mark Withington wrote:

>Thanks.  That did the trick.  On a related note.  Anyone know of a good pear
>primer (in book form) that I can buy for reading on the train/etc?
>
>Mark
>
>  
>
---  snip ---




From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Mon Jan 31 14:32:21 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:32:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358DD2B28@network.PLMresearch.com>

Thanks Hans.  Got David's book.  It is good.  Trying to use a package that's
not in there, Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer.  Anyone familiar with it?  I've Got
everything up-and-flying, however, can't seem to output anythign Excel like.
Spews the output directly to the screen of my browser rather than firing up
Excel.  Maybe I need to adjust something local.

Thanks,

Mark

--------------------------
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PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans C. Kaspersetz
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager


I like David Sklar's Essential PHP Tools.  I use it fairly regularly.  I 
am also working my way through PHP 5 Power Programming by Andi Gutmans, 
Stig Bakken and Derick Rethans.  PHP 5 Power Programming is a good 
book.  The first part deals with the differences between PHP 4 and 5.  
Then launches into some good information about OOP and Patterns and 
follows with information about PEAR and other extensions.

Good luck!
Hans

-- 
Hans Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



Mark Withington wrote:

>Thanks.  That did the trick.  On a related note.  Anyone know of a good
pear
>primer (in book form) that I can buy for reading on the train/etc?
>
>Mark
>
>  
>
---  snip ---


_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk
Supporting AMP Technology (Apache/MySQL/PHP)
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 14:36:32 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <41FE819F.5020905@bitblit.net>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
	<330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<41FE819F.5020905@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <330532b6050131113646fdfdb4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:07 -0500, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> 
> Bad timing that the API ref is down - Im working on a Mambo site and
> could do with the API docs!

What 'chew talkin' 'bout, Willis?

http://mambo.mamboforge.net/docs/

-- Mitch


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Jan 31 15:01:50 2005
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:01:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050131113646fdfdb4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>	<330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>	<41FE819F.5020905@bitblit.net>
	<330532b6050131113646fdfdb4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41FE8EAE.60809@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>
>
>What 'chew talkin' 'bout, Willis?
>
>http://mambo.mamboforge.net/docs/
>

Ah cool beans.

I was looking here: http://docs.mamboserver.com/HomePage

:-)

-- 
Aj.
Systems Administrator / Developer



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 15:16:33 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:16:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mambo Template Tutorial?
In-Reply-To: <41FE8EAE.60809@bitblit.net>
References: <20050119041406.EC5B0A85F3@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0501190953460.55031@emra.pair.com>
	<41FE49C4.2050204@supertom.com>
	<330532b6050131072318aa7d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<41FE819F.5020905@bitblit.net>
	<330532b6050131113646fdfdb4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41FE8EAE.60809@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <330532b6050131121669c2156e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:01:50 -0500, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> >
> >What 'chew talkin' 'bout, Willis?
> >
> >http://mambo.mamboforge.net/docs/
> 
> Ah cool beans.
> 
> I was looking here: http://docs.mamboserver.com/HomePage

That site is going to get replaced with a new portal, just for support
and documentation.  FYI we will be merging all of our websites into
one portal family so everyone will have easy access to news, support,
docs, and what is currently known as MamboForge.

First we need to get 4.5.2 out, then prepare for Boston next month,
and then will start rolling out the new sites. It will be a major
upgrade, promise!  :-)

-- Mitch


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Mon Jan 31 15:45:35 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
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Mark,

Sounds like your not setting the mime type correctly.

Try one of these:
application/vnd.ms-excel   <--  I think this one is for xls files.  I 
think this if the one you should use.
application/x-msexcel
application/ms-excel

header ("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel");

I think this is how you set mime-type correctly.

Hans K

Mark Withington wrote:

>Thanks Hans.  Got David's book.  It is good.  Trying to use a package that's
>not in there, Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer.  Anyone familiar with it?  I've Got
>everything up-and-flying, however, can't seem to output anythign Excel like.
>Spews the output directly to the screen of my browser rather than firing up
>Excel.  Maybe I need to adjust something local.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans C. Kaspersetz
>Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:17 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear package manager
>
>
>I like David Sklar's Essential PHP Tools.  I use it fairly regularly.  I 
>am also working my way through PHP 5 Power Programming by Andi Gutmans, 
>Stig Bakken and Derick Rethans.  PHP 5 Power Programming is a good 
>book.  The first part deals with the differences between PHP 4 and 5.  
>Then launches into some good information about OOP and Patterns and 
>follows with information about PEAR and other extensions.
>
>Good luck!
>Hans
>
>  
>


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From john at cyber-ny.com  Mon Jan 31 21:59:43 2005
From: john at cyber-ny.com (John Nunez)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:59:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MAMP setup tips wanted
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It's better than RedHat Enterprise 3 which uses 4.2 (might be 4.3.1)  
Anyway, I need to re-compile every time I install a RH ES box.

Thanks,
John Nunez

On Jan 31, 2005, at 1:38 PM, csnyder wrote:

>> Yes indeed -- in some cases, Apache/PHP that is older than dirt. 
>> Well, ok,
>> I exaggerate...
>
> No, you aren't exaggerating -- I think the default for 10.3 was PHP 
> 4.3.6
> The latest update from Apple ( 2005-001 ) finally bumped PHP to 4.3.10.
>
> Apache has been kept up to date, tho.
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From john at cyber-ny.com  Mon Jan 31 22:23:45 2005
From: john at cyber-ny.com (John Nunez)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL primary sort oddity
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I had this happen to me but not sure why.  I think I might have changed 
the ID on a record or something like that.  The easiest way to fix this 
is in phpMyAdmin goto the Operations tab, there is a drop down with the 
text "Alter table order by:" and select the ID field.  Note: that if 
you do this for another type of field (i.e. Username) it will not keep 
a sorting it for you with each entry.  It's a one-time disk sort.

Thanks,
John Nunez
Cyber-NY Interactive
212-475-2721
www.cyber-ny.com
john at cyber-ny.com


On Jan 30, 2005, at 6:20 PM, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
>> Right, so how is it that an auto_increment wouldn't sort by the id
>> number?  Because if it's being sorted by the order it got entered,
>> then it should still be in order.  At least that clears up a few
>> things for me.
>
> auto_increment isn't dependant on sorting.  It's an internal counter 
> that is maintained in the table structure.  The order by which records 
> appear when a SELECT is run without an ORDER BY is the order in which 
> they lay in the on-disk datafile.  An auto_increment column, on the 
> other hand, is just a counter.
>
>> On a side note, anyway to have phpMyAdmin default sort by primary key?
>
> Not that I know of, but you should always specify an ORDER BY when you 
> want something sorted anyway, and not depend on some automatic 
> behavior.
>
>
> H
>
>
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