From leam at reuel.net  Mon Apr 18 20:48:56 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:48:56 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Admin interface and Mozilla
Message-ID: <20050419004856.GA2898@leitz>

Okay, so the admin interface still hangs with Mozilla. Wouldn't be an issue except that I use Linux and Firefox/Mozilla are the browsers of choice. Konquere has trouble with sliding bars, My wife's Safari has ssue with the HTML editing, and I really don't want to have to use a Windows machine connected to the internet. 

Any thoughts? ANything I can try to tweak to make it work on the javascript stuff?

ciao!

leam




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 11:38:09 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:38:09 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Admin interface and Mozilla
In-Reply-To: <20050419004856.GA2898@leitz>
References: <20050419004856.GA2898@leitz>
Message-ID: <330532b6050419083870afdb8a@mail.gmail.com>

I know that firefox on the mac works fine, you may need to use a
different WYSIWYG editor though.

I have a client that works with Mambo on the mac, I can ask them to
see what their experience is.

For the record, our previous project leader lived on his mac, so I am
certain that mambo works with the mac.

--
Mitch

On 4/18/05, leam at reuel.net <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> Okay, so the admin interface still hangs with Mozilla. Wouldn't be an issue except that I use Linux and Firefox/Mozilla are the browsers of choice. Konquere has trouble with sliding bars, My wife's Safari has ssue with the HTML editing, and I really don't want to have to use a Windows machine connected to the internet.
> 
> Any thoughts? ANything I can try to tweak to make it work on the javascript stuff?
> 
> ciao!
> 
> leam
> 
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From norman.on at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 11:47:04 2005
From: norman.on at gmail.com (Norman O'Neil)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:47:04 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Admin interface and Mozilla
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050419083870afdb8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050419004856.GA2898@leitz>
	<330532b6050419083870afdb8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2494df532c933306245f0e94cd45cd1a@gmail.com>

Firefox definitely works with htmlarea3 and tinymce and wysiwygpro. 
There is also an old version of mozilla hanging around that will allow 
you to run in os9 on a mac.

Safari won't run any of the wysiwyg editors.

On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> I know that firefox on the mac works fine, you may need to use a
> different WYSIWYG editor though.
>
> I have a client that works with Mambo on the mac, I can ask them to
> see what their experience is.
>
> For the record, our previous project leader lived on his mac, so I am
> certain that mambo works with the mac.
>
> --
> Mitch
>
> On 4/18/05, leam at reuel.net <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
>> Okay, so the admin interface still hangs with Mozilla. Wouldn't be an 
>> issue except that I use Linux and Firefox/Mozilla are the browsers of 
>> choice. Konquere has trouble with sliding bars, My wife's Safari has 
>> ssue with the HTML editing, and I really don't want to have to use a 
>> Windows machine connected to the internet.
>>
>> Any thoughts? ANything I can try to tweak to make it work on the 
>> javascript stuff?
>>
>> ciao!
>>
>> leam
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New to Mambo? Get a great start here:
>> http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=26144
>>
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>> AMP Technology
>> Supporting Apache, MySQL, PHP &amp; Mambo!
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/mambo
>> http://www.nyphp.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From debbie.salemink at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 08:22:11 2005
From: debbie.salemink at gmail.com (debbie salemink)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:22:11 +0200
Subject: [mambo] slow mambo 4.5.2 possible solution
Message-ID: <352c93420504240522518fa5c1@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe this is a solution for the slow mambo loading, i spent a few
days trying to solve this problem.
First of all i turned of all the mambo admin modules and turned
caching on, like it tells me in the forums.
This brought back the loading time from about 4 minutes to 1. After
this i tried a lot of stuff, optimizing mysql server configuration,
cleaning all unused files etc with no noticable difference in speed.
In the end what solved my problem was to turn KeepAlive in httpd.conf
to on, now the sites and the administration load in seconds.
I havent yet tried turning the admin modules backon to see if
keepalive is the main culprit.

Hope it helps a few other people using mambo 4.5.2
regards,
D. Salemink


From graham at nuthinwerked.com  Sun Apr 24 12:37:44 2005
From: graham at nuthinwerked.com (Graham Spice)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:37:44 -0500
Subject: [mambo] Re: slow mambo 4.5.2 possible solution
In-Reply-To: <20050424160005.49D07A8808@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050424160005.49D07A8808@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <426BCB58.8040707@nuthinwerked.com>

 From the Apache documentation 
(http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#keepalive):

    The Keep-Alive extension to HTTP/1.0 and the persistent connection
    feature of HTTP/1.1 provide long-lived HTTP sessions which allow
    multiple requests to be sent over the same TCP connection. In some
    cases this has been shown to result in an almost 50% speedup in
    latency times for HTML documents with many images. To enable
    Keep-Alive connections, set |KeepAlive On|.

    For HTTP/1.0 clients, Keep-Alive connections will only be used if
    they are specifically requested by a client. In addition, a
    Keep-Alive connection with an HTTP/1.0 client can only be used when
    the length of the content is known in advance. This implies that
    dynamic content such as CGI output, SSI pages, and server-generated
    directory listings will generally not use Keep-Alive connections to
    HTTP/1.0 clients. For HTTP/1.1 clients, persistent connections are
    the default unless otherwise specified. If the client requests it,
    chunked encoding will be used in order to send content of unknown
    length over persistent connections.

Cheers-
Graham Spice

D. Salemink wrote:

>Maybe this is a solution for the slow mambo loading, i spent a few
>days trying to solve this problem.
>First of all i turned of all the mambo admin modules and turned
>caching on, like it tells me in the forums.
>This brought back the loading time from about 4 minutes to 1. After
>this i tried a lot of stuff, optimizing mysql server configuration,
>cleaning all unused files etc with no noticable difference in speed.
>In the end what solved my problem was to turn KeepAlive in httpd.conf
>to on, now the sites and the administration load in seconds.
>I havent yet tried turning the admin modules backon to see if
>keepalive is the main culprit.
>
>Hope it helps a few other people using mambo 4.5.2
>regards,
>D. Salemink
>
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From john at coolmacgames.com  Thu Apr 28 10:58:53 2005
From: john at coolmacgames.com (John Nunez)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Comparison Help Needed
Message-ID: <ffc9e4cee333ad7045fe495908c37af6@coolmacgames.com>

Has anyone used webedition CMS?  My boss just got a flyer from this 
company and wants to buy it.  I have been messing around with mambo for 
a while now. He feels that this will get us a CMS without the hassle of 
customization.  I feel it would be taking a step back. Let me know the 
pros and cons of this cms.  I prefer Mambo it's just I don't have time 
to demonstrate it to him.  I rather use the money for a couple of Zend 
Studio.



From norman.on at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:05:15 2005
From: norman.on at gmail.com (Norman O'Neil)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:05:15 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <ffc9e4cee333ad7045fe495908c37af6@coolmacgames.com>
References: <ffc9e4cee333ad7045fe495908c37af6@coolmacgames.com>
Message-ID: <ce21eb7633be17b9d3ce17a52f537f36@gmail.com>

backwards or sideways, you would have the same set-up/customization as 
mambo and a healthy learning curve on top of that.

On Apr 28, 2005, at 10:58 AM, John Nunez wrote:

> Has anyone used webedition CMS?  My boss just got a flyer from this 
> company and wants to buy it.  I have been messing around with mambo 
> for a while now. He feels that this will get us a CMS without the 
> hassle of customization.  I feel it would be taking a step back. Let 
> me know the pros and cons of this cms.  I prefer Mambo it's just I 
> don't have time to demonstrate it to him.  I rather use the money for 
> a couple of Zend Studio.
>
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From tommyo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:25:19 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:25:19 -0500
Subject: [mambo] Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <ffc9e4cee333ad7045fe495908c37af6@coolmacgames.com>
References: <ffc9e4cee333ad7045fe495908c37af6@coolmacgames.com>
Message-ID: <d0cb926205042808257c286ba1@mail.gmail.com>

John, 

You could spen the money that you are saving from buying a CMS to pay a 
company or consultant to do the customization. 

I know of a great company with some excellant programmers and designers on 
staf :)

I think your going to get more out of mambo for cheaper in the long run. 

1. You will get all the open free components and modules that people activly 
contribute

2. you will get free upgrades as the product continues to grow and mature. 

3. More importantly you will be using a product that is very popular among 
web professionals so you will easily be able to find new employees with 
mambo experience, free technical support from user forums and user groups, 
and extensive online documentation that will only continue to grow.

Also when selling mambo to the boss you might mention some of the industry 
recognition it has received. I haven't been keeping up but it seems like the 
awards are just stacking up.

I say the clear choice is mambo..

-Tom O'Neill
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From graham at nuthinwerked.com  Thu Apr 28 12:05:28 2005
From: graham at nuthinwerked.com (Graham Spice)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:05:28 -0500
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com>

Tom - that was an excellent post. I really appreciated your reply. I 
wish that more people would see the value in using popular OS software 
and hiring a guru consultant to get it working well for the application 
and educate them on how to use it.

*Awards that Mambo has recently won:
*

    * Best of Show - LinuxWorld Conference & Expo (Feb 2005)
    * Best Open Source Solution - LinuxWorld Conference & Expo (Feb 2005)
    * Best Linux or Open Source Software - LinuxUser & Developer
      Magazine (Apr 2004)

*Recent Mambo Award Nominations:
*

    * Best Free Software Project - Linux Format Awards (2004)

*Mambo has been downloaded over 2 million times!*
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From nylug at q5comm.com  Thu Apr 28 18:57:56 2005
From: nylug at q5comm.com (Edward J. Weinberg)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:57:56 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com>
Message-ID: <1114729077.5366.38.camel@ed.q>

On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 11:05 -0500, Graham Spice wrote:
> Tom - that was an excellent post. I really appreciated your reply. I
> wish that more people would see the value in using popular OS software
> and hiring a guru consultant to get it working well for the
> application and educate them on how to use it.
> 
> Awards that Mambo has recently won:
>       * Best of Show - LinuxWorld Conference & Expo (Feb 2005)
>       * Best Open Source Solution - LinuxWorld Conference & Expo (Feb
>         2005)
>       * Best Linux or Open Source Software - LinuxUser & Developer
>         Magazine (Apr 2004)
> Recent Mambo Award Nominations:
>       * Best Free Software Project - Linux Format Awards (2004)
> Mambo has been downloaded over 2 million times!

This is not a troll.
I have been wondering why.
The were the only out of the box CMS at those LinuxWorlds.

I have tried a few cms projects, and prefer Drupal and Geeklaw.  
The biggest things that bothers me about Mambo are the browser
compatibility issues.

These issues include lockup of the admin pages when using Mozilla or
Firefox, and compatibility of their editor with Opera and the Mac
browsers.

Since I am in Linux most of the time, I need a CMS that works with
Mozilla.

-- 
Edward J. Weinberg <nylug at q5comm.com>



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 19:34:06 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:34:06 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <1114729077.5366.38.camel@ed.q>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
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Message-ID: <330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/28/05, Edward J. Weinberg <nylug at q5comm.com> wrote:
> 
> I have been wondering why.
> The were the only out of the box CMS at those LinuxWorlds.

The Zope Corporation was in Boston with us, so there were two FOSS CMS
there. Also I know there were some commercial ones, but I don't pay
much attention to them anymore for some reason ;-)

> I have tried a few cms projects, and prefer Drupal and Geeklaw.

Don't forget Plone. Thanks to their environment, they can do stuff
that the rest of us still cannot. But the gap is closing fast ;-)

> The biggest things that bothers me about Mambo are the browser
> compatibility issues.
> 
> These issues include lockup of the admin pages when using Mozilla or
> Firefox, and compatibility of their editor with Opera and the Mac
> browsers.
>
> Since I am in Linux most of the time, I need a CMS that works with
> Mozilla.

I am an exclusive Firefox user, on both Windows and Linux, and we also
have developers that work on the Mac platform dedicated. I'd love to
hear your exact problems, in a way that I know I can reproduce them,
as I guarantee that they will get fixed by the next release.

Really, honestly, if you can prove there is a compatibility issue, and
give us instructions on how to reproduce, we will fix it.

-- 
Mitch Pirtle
Mambo Core Developer


From nylug at q5comm.com  Sat Apr 30 11:26:28 2005
From: nylug at q5comm.com (Edward J. Weinberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:26:28 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com> <1114729077.5366.38.camel@ed.q>
	<330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1114874788.5343.5.camel@ed.q>

On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 19:34 -0400, Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> On 4/28/05, Edward J. Weinberg <nylug at q5comm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I have been wondering why.
> > The were the only out of the box CMS at those LinuxWorlds.
> 
> The Zope Corporation was in Boston with us, so there were two FOSS CMS
> there. Also I know there were some commercial ones, but I don't pay
> much attention to them anymore for some reason ;-)
I don't put them in the same category as the other cms projects I
mentioned.  They require much more work to make a real system out of the
box.

I looked at Plome.  A few years ago Plome had a bunch of requirements
that made it difficult to install.

> > The biggest things that bothers me about Mambo are the browser
> > compatibility issues.
> > 

> I am an exclusive Firefox user, on both Windows and Linux, and we also
> have developers that work on the Mac platform dedicated. I'd love to
> hear your exact problems, in a way that I know I can reproduce them,
> as I guarantee that they will get fixed by the next release.
> 
> Really, honestly, if you can prove there is a compatibility issue, and
> give us instructions on how to reproduce, we will fix it.
I don't have experience with the incompatibility myself, but there are
users complaining in this list almost weekly that the Mambo admin screen
is locking up under Mozilla.  If I am mistaken, please accept my
apology.

Again it is only what I read, but is there a problem with different
browsers and the edit used by Mambo?

-- 
Edward J. Weinberg <nylug at q5comm.com>



From leam at reuel.net  Sat Apr 30 12:45:27 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:45:27 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <1114874788.5343.5.camel@ed.q>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
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	<330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>
	<1114874788.5343.5.camel@ed.q>
Message-ID: <20050430164527.GA2941@leitz>

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:26:28AM -0400, Edward J. Weinberg wrote:

> I don't have experience with the incompatibility myself, but there are
> users complaining in this list almost weekly that the Mambo admin screen
> is locking up under Mozilla.  If I am mistaken, please accept my
> apology.
> 
> Again it is only what I read, but is there a problem with different
> browsers and the edit used by Mambo?
> 
> -- 
> Edward J. Weinberg <nylug at q5comm.com>

I do but I'm not sure where the incompatibility it and what is causing it. The two things I've hit are some editor issues on Mac OS X which I believe are elimininated by not using one of the editors, and the admin interface hanging which I've not yet resolved.

I think it is less "users complaining almost weekly" and more "one user whining incessantly". ;) I've been meaning to track down exactly what the issues are life and job-hunting have gotten in the way.

ciao!

leam



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 13:25:42 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:25:42 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <20050430164527.GA2941@leitz>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com> <1114729077.5366.38.camel@ed.q>
	<330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>
	<1114874788.5343.5.camel@ed.q> <20050430164527.GA2941@leitz>
Message-ID: <330532b6050430102533bd0a11@mail.gmail.com>

On the subject of compatibility, yet another of the core developers
has just bought a dual G5, and that is our graphics guru. So if there
are any warts on the Macintosh side, I suspect I will be hearing all
about it on IRC...

With the solid support on firefox (I have never had a problem with
firefox and mambo, on ANY platform), it is hard for me to believe that
Mozilla is a significant issue. I'll install it myself and test from
time to time to make sure, but I would wager that most Mozilla issues
are either version-related, or tied to the implementation on a
particular platform.

Basically, I need:
* operating system version
* browser version
* exact step that causes the glitch

I'll file the bug reports myself even, but I need those three things
in order to reproduce.

-- Mitch


From leam at reuel.net  Sat Apr 30 13:59:04 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:59:04 -0400
Subject: [mambo] Re: Comparison Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <330532b6050430102533bd0a11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050428160006.8EC7BA8806@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<427109C8.2080606@nuthinwerked.com> <1114729077.5366.38.camel@ed.q>
	<330532b605042816343a745477@mail.gmail.com>
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	<330532b6050430102533bd0a11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050430175904.GD2941@leitz>

Working on that very thing. At the moment is seems that if the admin interface chokes on writing the config file it can't recover well. "Choking" caused by a permission issue.

I'm not sure this is Mozilla specific, but I'm not sure why it can't recover. Mitch, can you try to duplicate that part? Meanwhile I'm going to call my hosting provider and see why Mambo and php are now changing everything they write to the apache user which means I can't edit my own files!

I do *not* see that last bit as a Mambo issue, though it will cause Mambo to have issues, I bet.

ciao!

leam

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 01:25:42PM -0400, Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> On the subject of compatibility, yet another of the core developers
> has just bought a dual G5, and that is our graphics guru. So if there
> are any warts on the Macintosh side, I suspect I will be hearing all
> about it on IRC...
> 
> With the solid support on firefox (I have never had a problem with
> firefox and mambo, on ANY platform), it is hard for me to believe that
> Mozilla is a significant issue. I'll install it myself and test from
> time to time to make sure, but I would wager that most Mozilla issues
> are either version-related, or tied to the implementation on a
> particular platform.
> 
> Basically, I need:
> * operating system version
> * browser version
> * exact step that causes the glitch
> 
> I'll file the bug reports myself even, but I need those three things
> in order to reproduce.
> 
> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
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